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    I disagree. I think Palin is incredibly dumb, very under-educated and cares for absolutely nobody but herself. Less smart than the average internet schmuck. On top of that she is an intellectual nihilist, proud of stupidity, devoid of any ideas or anything reasonable to contribute.
    This puts her in squarely within America's proud, ample middle IMO. Variations from this mean are construed as deviant now.

    As a matter of policy or pragmaticism- it people want to call Obama 'an idiot' fine. I'd disagree, but I understand the sentiment. As a matter of intellect? He's doing just fine in the IQ department. Comparatively? He's a genius.
    People can differ over how important that is.

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    Everyone knows... you own a thesaurus.
    I seldom use it anymore, but yes, I do. I mainly use it to remember words now.

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    People can differ over how important that is.
    Absolutely. But even Malcolm ing Gladwell would tell you that it isn't irrelevant. Not so irrelevant that a complete lack of [IQ] is acceptable in a would-be American president.

    Or maybe it is acceptable; as you alluded to the populace. But if that's the case (and it isn't) America's really ed.

    (btw gtown, attacking people for using a thesaurus can be quite complementary, if the person you're attacking, doesn't indeed use a thesaurus to type on an internet forum. Since you can't be sure, why try?)
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    Common sense w/ conviction > I.Q. w/ a ty agenda

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    I think there has been change....but let's not kid ourselves, lobbist's money run amok in Washington undermines the people's interest....it's not the two party system..

    ...in some countries there is no two-party system, and you get elected-officials like Mr. 39%, Rick 'Goodhair' Perry....candidates who cater mainly to fringe elements of parties...

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    Not so irrelevant that a complete lack of [IQ] is acceptable in a would-be American president.
    Like GWB, the master before her, or even like Ronald Reagan, Sarah Palin uses her intellectual *plainness* as a smokescreen for the ambitions of her political cunning.

    Apparently people are still falling for this act.
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    Common sense w/ conviction > I.Q. w/ a ty agenda
    Then give me a Ron Paul. For the left? A Kucinich. Some Cons ution Party Candidate who at least, y'know, has some of that valuable common sense. I mean anybody really, who at least has something to say and/or do and can speak coherently.

    Don't give me Sarah Palin. I mean are you kidding me Teabaggers? Sarah ing Palin?

    I will get behind the notion that I might be wrong about which side I'm on. Who knows, maybe some ultra libertarian could do a lot of good. Someone with a lot of common sense. But don't tell me that person is Sarah Palin. You do that, it's no wonder people shut down and hurl vitriol. Her very viability is an insult. The suggestion that she's somehow more equipped, by any means, than anyone else, is a ludicrous insult.

    I said it on the first page. No matter how much Obama could this country up, he couldn't do near the damage that Palin's very presence in office would wreak upon our national character. If she ever takes office, we can go ahead and call this country a fully fledged dystopian nuthouse. And luckily, most people get that.

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    Just as high intelligence may be relatively overvalued by <<smart people>>, perhaps low intelligence is insufficiently appreciated by all.

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    Just as high intelligence may be relatively overvalued by <<smart people>>, perhaps low intelligence is insufficiently appreciated by all.

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    I should have blued it. 70% jocular, 30% serious. hard call.

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    The war on terror is rapidly expanding beyond any reasonable definition under Obama. I don't really see how you can say there's a great substantive difference between the foreign policy of GWB and that of Obama, that the neocons have somehow been marginalized. Obama has amplified both wars, and just now is making noises about Somalia and Yemen, between bouts of lecturing Iran sternly in public.

    The theme is continuity, as forshadowed by Obama's reappointment (sic?) of Robert Gates. Obama has upheld his predecessor's amplifications of his own office, and now even seeks to extend them, using the very same arguments that he scorned during the campaign. The flip-flop on FISA last year told the tale.

    Leading to this: in what meaningful sense is Obama *not* a neocon? By accelerating and amplifying their wars? By rigorously maintaining GWB's approach to privacy, extracons utional powers of government and the law of war? How?

    By giving a warlike speech about the solemn responsibilities of power at his Peace Prize ceremony?

    Anybody?
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    Besides definitively spurning harsh interrogation tactics that had already been *discontinued* in 2004. Anybody.

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    Malcolm " ing" Gladwell

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    Did u think McCain would die in office?
    I absolutely did. In fact, I still think he won't be here by the next presidential election. And I love my country too much to risk the result.

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    The President is simply a figurehead. He's a spokesperson for the corporate agenda that runs Washington regardless of the party in power.

    I don't really think we'd be in any different a place right now if we had elected McCain. Only difference as I see it is Obama is more palatable for other countries as an ambassador. That's probably the best we can hope for as long as we continue to commit to the Republicrat party running .

    We're the ones who have to change. We have to quit buying into the idea that we're all members of one of the two "teams." Until that happens, we're just playing American Idol every two/four years.

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    word

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    The rare plug for infowars.

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    The President is simply a figurehead. He's a spokesperson for the corporate agenda that runs Washington regardless of the party in power.

    I don't really think we'd be in any different a place right now if we had elected McCain. Only difference as I see it is Obama is more palatable for other countries as an ambassador. That's probably the best we can hope for as long as we continue to commit to the Republicrat party running .

    We're the ones who have to change. We have to quit buying into the idea that we're all members of one of the two "teams." Until that happens, we're just playing American Idol every two/four years.


    But it will never happen so long as moral issues determine voting patterns, we are stuck tied to the incredulous idiot neighbor.

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    As we see with the Dems holding Congress and the WH, destructive obstructionist Repug 100% interested in partisan knee-capping, all politics all the time (aka, no policies, no governing) rather than solving the country's problem, have enough power to block all progress and solutions.

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    As we see with the Dems holding Congress and the WH, destructive obstructionist Repug 100% interested in partisan knee-capping, all politics all the time (aka, no policies, no governing) rather than solving the country's problem, have enough power to block all progress and solutions.
    Wish the Dems had been better at blocking Bush's "progress and solutions." They suck at that compared to the GOP.

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    Remember that ?

    Seriously.

    Oh well, America was a sucker. Again.
    funny, I thought the same thing when I heard "Mission Accomplished"

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    I suspect the 'change' is just beginning... Now that things are starting to go against him (somewhat) I expect him to become more aggressive in shoving his agenda down our throats.

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    I suspect the 'change' is just beginning... Now that things are starting to go against him (somewhat) I expect him to become more aggressive in shoving his agenda down our throats.
    Healthcare legislation says there isnt much going against him. Even if the bill is an absolute abortion (which it is), he'll still flag wave that mothertrucker into a second term becsue the ing sheep who wander the prairie in this country wont see the ill effects of this for at least 6 years.

    Make no mistake, even when it becomes apparent that we cant pay for healthcare, its just another industry that'll get a huge TARP-like stimulus package crammed up its overly-accepting ass.

    I am seriously perplexed with the entire status of my country. This ing place is soooooo on the decline. I sound like an old-codgety man and Im ing 30 years old.

    Are people just plain afraid to overreact? To get upset?

    Is it the social stigma attached to being "unconnected with the herd" that compels Americans to conform?

    I am not even interested in psychology all that much, but some of my countrymen make me wonder about my neighbors.

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    At ~60, I'm an old codgety. But. I don't know that healthcare is a shoo-in. However, he and his cronies will do whatever they need to do to get their way. America is dying and we are allowing it. I fought and (literally) bled for this country. He hates non-muslims... the Dems do not appear to be concerned about the consequences of their votes (why?) because they know what is coming...

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    The "change" bull is running high is Massachusetts. The king pin is heading there.

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