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I guess it would be too much to expect that celebrities everywhere revolt and refuse to go on Leno's Tonight Show, but it would be a lot cooler if they did.
"Jay, you have a garage full of cars to take care of. Conan and I have kids, man. Don't come after our shows!"
Jaw-droppingly funny and awkward.
It's like Jay realizes he needs to address (since everyone else is doing so) but realizes that he can't just blame it on the network (since if he would have just quit or would just retire now, this whole mess would be non-existent), and doesn't realize he's the butt of half of the jokes from everyone else. So he thinks he'll do it in a round-about manner or thinks he was being self-deprecating by having Jimmy on the show, and didn't realize what he was opening himself up to by doing it.
I guess it would be too much to expect that celebrities everywhere revolt and refuse to go on Leno's Tonight Show, but it would be a lot cooler if they did.
so what?
dayum. Jay receives an uppercut to the ribcage
Why would Leno quit and put all his employees out of work?
Not gonna read the entire thread, but let me just say...anyone who doesn't think Conan is funny should never be allowed to watch TV again.
His interviews are f'ing hilarious.
I've liked Leno and Conan, but really don't watch either of them anymore. Conan is better later at night, but that's just my opinion. He took a dive when he went to the tonight show and dropped what made him funny.
But I kind of see this as a cheap shot on Jay. Maybe behind the scenes he's a jerk about it, but I respect Jay for being classy. He's also been very supportive of all comedians in general. Ask Seinfeld. More importantly, he dominated (absolutely dominated) the ratings up until his move to prime time to accomodate Conan. Why should he step aside? That's like asking Jordan to sit on the bench after the first three championships to let the new rookie develop.
And the Kimmel crack about "we have kids to raise" is nonsense. None of those guys is hurting for money and to play that card is a bit silly when you consider people in the real world have real jobs that pay so much less and have families to support. It makes me kind of not want to watch any of them.
The reason why people have turned on Jay Leno, even though he really hasn't said much to anger people, is because he's completely ing bland. He's a comedian who makes harmless jokes to appeal to as big an audience as he can in order to secure ratings. He's innocuous. He's everything that comedy, in my opinion, shouldn't be.
Leno represents the corporatization of comedy. NBC execs love him because he makes them money, but he literally does nothing for his craft. This is why Kimmel appears on Leno's show and trashes him, why Letterman has trashed him, why 80% of people in a TV Guide poll support Conan, why almost everyone interviewed about the subject has great things to say about Conan but not much to say about Leno.
also..didnt they adviertise the out of the jay leno show compared to the Tonight Show?
ok its not the main reason why letterman trashes leno.
Leno ed Letterman out of a job and now he's ing Conan out of one. "Classy" my ass.
Back in 2006, Jay Leno appeared at our Radio Shack annual meeting in Las Vegas. Up until then, I thought he was a pretty good standup. However, he started his set with several jokes about his Buick Roadmaster ( which he had used on the Tonight Show about 12 years previously). Then he started telling Jeffrey Dahmer jokes. Dahmer was killed in 1994. You'd think he might have written some new material in the intervening 12 years, but nooooo, he decided to re-use stuff that wasn't funny when he first used it more than a decade previously. MANY of us got up and walked out on him, because he not only wasn't funny, he was downright BORING.
He practiced underhanded tactics when he usurped Letterman 17 years ago (I mean, hiding in a closet to listen in on a NBC corporate conference call isn't exactly fair play), and I think he's bamboozled the network into giving him whatever he wants, everybody else be damned. I hope Conan goes to Fox and beats the living out of Leno's ratings.
'Classy my ass' is right. He's now stabbed two of his peers directly in the back in order to get the Tonight Show. Probably the most manipulative piece of s in LA.
Because he already ing did.Why should he step aside?
As Letterman astutely pointed out the other night, you got to love Johnny Carson, the man knew when to hang it up. He didn't have to. And that's called grace. What Leno's doing (manipulating idiots to stay in power even though nobody else has an ounce of respect for him) is called s baggery.
like McCry vs the first round of the NFL draft?
LMFAO! Conan is auctioning off "Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien" luggage!
"It's as easy to move as a talk show in a late night time slot"
A few points:
1. Jordan stepped aside for a year and then got his starting job back and won three more les.
2. Leno could have said public statements like the other guys, but he didn't. That's classy. All you hear from are the people that are willing to bad talk Leno in public. If you heard his side of the story, you'd probably hear some equally negative stuff about Letterman and Conan. Especially Letterman, who is one of the nastiest people in the business- no way he was a boy scout behind the scenes.
3. Leno may be boring, but more people like him than Conan or Letterman- at least so says the ratings.
4. Conan's stand up equally sucks (except for his excellent digs at himself). Conan is a skit expert and stand up is not his strong point. He's also equally awkward at interviews unless it is other comedians or talented actors that are outspoken and carry the interview. Jay is a much better interviewer and his stand up is better than Conan's. His skits aren't in the same league as Conan's, but that's what Conan does best (as well as his improv).
5. Kimmel took some heavy shots at Leno and he laughed it off. Let's see Letterman do that.
6. Kimmel, Letterman, and Conan aren't millionaries? I don't really believe that. Not at this point in their careers. None of them are hurting for money, as Conan has indicated publicly during this spat.
Other side of the story:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34880947...ess_hollywood/
Spin from someone who somehow lost the NFL to Fox. NBC has made bad decision after bad decision basically since Seinfeld left, yet somehow it's Conan's failure? Please. They're at the bottom for good reason.
I don't know why people are jumping on Conan's bandwagon and he's been my favorite talk show host. His show feels neutered from what it used to be and has been stale and just as bad as his peers or worse since its been on the air. Dare I say it: the funniest thing he's done these past few months was get that concussion.
He's taking the business matter that is timeslot changes personally and is risking not only his job security but also his staff's that also notably moved their families out of NYC to LA for the show. Instead of acting like what a Spur would do and conduct this behind the doors professionally; Coco instead writes a primadonna letter trying to make him look like a victim and how The Tonight Show's timeslot is too elite to change. He also writes how he's willing to change and adapt to suit his audience....why not apply this same logic to timeslot differences or challenges in general? He basically shot himself in the foot by bashing NBC and he's throwing away his esteemed and sought-after gig for the sake of his ego.
Coco looks like a spoiled asshat since he's taking a business matter personally that not only affect himself but his staff and their families. Now he might be finding himself paddling up creek and us fans may never see Conan and his comedy team's skits on the air again.
Yes, but Conan is spinning his bad ratings. So you pick the spin which suits your opinion.
And Conan was paid $8 million per year for the Tonight Show. And $4 million a year for his Late Night show. So he's a millionaire and any plead "he has children" is equal to Sprewell's "children to feed" comment.
Not saying Conan is necessarily the bad guy, but neither is Leno. Maybe its the Execs. But it's classless to attack Leno on national t.v. when he is not doing the same.
One of their bad decisions was to ask the ratings leader to retire so they could hand the show to someone that has a limited audience as demonstrated by Conan's consistent slide in the ratings since he took over the tonight show.
cbs lost the nfl to fox, then they took it from nbc
Oh yeah. You're right.
What is exactly Leno's fault here?
He graciously gave Conan a chance and gave up his show, even though he was at the top of the ratings and enjoyed widespread popularity.
Conan tanked, his college audience couldn't carry over and carry him on the Tonight Show, so NBC pulls the plug on Conan for being unfunny, begs Leno to take his show back. Leno accepts.
Now Conan is crying and whining like a little "WAAAHH" at his own failure, and trying to blame someone else
and Leno is the bad guy?
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