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man through 3 pages, there are views conflicting from yes to no, and i dont think i am any closer to understanding whats going on. Guess we just have to wait and see.
I think Manu has already realized he can't be doing international bball at his age. He has his gold medal, he had his glory days, now it's time to let it all go and focus on the team that got him 3 rings in the most prestigious league in the world
man through 3 pages, there are views conflicting from yes to no, and i dont think i am any closer to understanding whats going on. Guess we just have to wait and see.
I don't think the Spurs will negotiate with Manu if he wants to play in Turkey. They're not in a position to offer a guaranteed deal before the tournament if he intends to play. If another team offers a guaranteed deal before the tournament, then he won't be a Spur next season.
Smaller deals may be possible during the season, but the price goes up if a healthy Manu is a FA on July 1st. Even if he plays at his current level through the remainder of the regular season and playoffs, it will take at least 2yrs/20M to keep him if he hits free agency.
^^ this
At that point they have to let him go. It will be very sad to see Manu in another NBA uniform, but there have to be limits to the risks the team is willing to assume.
Agreed. And this is what this article is all about unfortunately... Manu wants to retire from the NT in a big stage... Turkey will be it and my take is that he'll sign with any team that will give him the contract before the tournament... This won't look good for TP's renewal either...
The Jefferson trade comes into play bigtime now. Manu is making $10million to provide scoring/spark off bench and intagibles. However, in the playoffs is where the spurs want him to do damage. He could be average during the season and play out of his mind during the playoffs. Thats what they want. They want to monitor his minutes during the regular season and let him go all out in the playoffs. His money is mainly being earned in the playoffs, since he is so injury proned. The part that is sour for Manu is that the spurs paid RJ $14million to sit around and do nothing except serve up a few facials here and there. For $6-8million the Spurs could have gotten several other pieces that filled that need. So, on one hand they wait around to resign him(even ceasing talks altogether) and with the other hand they reach deep into there pockets to get a guy who hasnt proven to do much in "winning time" for 2 years $29million. I'd be pissed, wouldnt you?
To me, Tony's recent talk about not playing for the FNT in 2010 is all about smoothing the way so that discussions on an extension can take place this summer. In Tony's case, I don't think the Spurs will talk this summer even if he renounces the FNT from now until the end of time. I just don't think they'll deal with Tony, or take on any long term deals in a trade for that matter, until the next CBA is signed sometime after 2011 season.Agreed. And this is what this article is all about unfortunately... Manu wants to retire from the NT in a big stage... Turkey will be it and my take is that he'll sign with any team that will give him the contract before the tournament... This won't look good for TP's renewal either...
That makes since. But I still wouldnt be surprised to see the spurs make a deal that includes RJ or TP. Manu might not resign simply cause the spurs have not showed that he is as important as he thought he was.
Manu's current deal was fair to both sides when it was signed. I don't think Manu loses any sleep over that. As to whether or not he stays, that will be based on the value of the offer from the Spurs compared to what Manu believes is his fair value to the team at that time.
There's no reason to believe that Manu sees the RJ acquisition as any sort of slight to him. On the other hand, RJ's number on the payroll could affect what Manu's perceives to be the minimum amount that he will accept from the Spurs. I don't think he'll accept a contract that starts below 10M.
(John Feinstein wrote a book in which he followed Mike Mussina and Tom Glavine through the 2007 season. Mussina was coming off a massive contract that ended in 2006. Both he and the Yankees wanted to continue the relationship and both knew that the new contract would be much smaller than the old one. The Yankees' initial offer was above fair market but slightly below what Carl Pavano was making. At that time Pavano had already been paid over 20M for virtually nothing and was constantly coming up with bizarre injuries. Mussina told the Yankees that there was no way he could sign with them for less than Pavano. The Yankees upped the offer and signed him for the last two years of his career. Manu won't get more than RJ's 15.2M, but I don't think he signs anything near an MLE deal with Spurs. I think he would take the MLE from another contender before he did that.)
As far as my knowledge goes, this situation is somewhat difficult to judge. My impression is that Manu really would want to stay in SA and maybe is a little disappointed that the Spurs are hesistant (from his point of view).
I love the guy and hope that he stays. But the FO's primary goal has to be to put together a team as strong and well-balanced as possible. So it's understandable that they're considering Manu's health situation as well as his further plans for his NT career. I'm with Bruno, however, on Manu being probably the best SG option available for the Spurs this coming summer. So if he really wants to stay, I'm quite confident both sides can reach an agreement.
correct on both sides.
only sad thing is most likely we will see Manu in a Laker or Rockets jersey next year
In another interview he said that if he decided to leave the Spurs he would like to play with one of his teammates from the NT that won the gold medal.
I truly hope the Celts don't get Nocioni then...
Manu doesn't like the cold. It will be either Cali, Texas or anything on the East below and including Washington DC.
lol hater wishful thinking
could happen dude. Wiz will have tons of cash to throw at him and they already have his big brotherlol hater wishful thinking
Sign with Lakers Manu !!!!!!!!
I ripped TP for whining about his injuries. I'll have to be an equal opportunity critic and say that Manu needs to stop complaining about his contract situation. Being all emotional about how he thought it was more than just a business or whatever doesn't make much sense considering this is the bed he made. He could have already signed an extension but decided against it. After getting hurt, delaying his surgery, trying to regain his footing mid-flow, getting hurt again to end the season and then suffering a season-ending injury the subsequent season due to the improper gait brought on by the original injury ... I can't really fathom how Ginobili is seemingly confused by the situation. If he wanted, he could already have the money in hand. He rolled the dice; live with the consequences.
That said, I can't think of a scenario in that re-signing Ginobili doesn't make sense. Let's say *knock on wood* Ginobili gets injured again. Come the summer, what better option is there going to be than Ginobili? The championship chances without Ginobili would be slim to none. I'd like the chances better of re-signing Ginobili and hoping he didn't suffer an injury for the fourth year in a row.
Basically, no matter what happens between now and the end of the season, I believe that Ginobili needs to be re-signed. If he does well, a two-year, $18-22M deal could be fair. If he does poorly to end the season, you can probably retain him for two years and $12-15M.
When it comes down to it, even a hypothetically 70% Manu is more of a championship player than anyone the Spurs could get for the MLE.
Damn I hate it that he feels the Spurs don't appreciate him enough to resign him. I hurt for Manu if that is the case.
In a right world, Manu will remain with the Spurs and we'll all be watching when they retire his jersey. I know a great solution to all this speculation...dig down deep and win the championship. It's happened before!!!!
Absolutely correct.
Your out of your tree... At his current level, no one is going to offer an SG making 25% of his shots more than the MLE. He's having his worst year since 03/04.
All this worrying is massively overdone. The Spurs will offer him slightly more than the MLE, and no one else is going to offer more than that. Neither the lakers ($84 Million to 8 players including Kobe and Browns options) , nor the Celtics ($64 million to 7 player, including Paul Pierce's option) are in a cap position to offer more than the MLE. The Rockets (Scola), maybe, but I can't see them doing it. The Kings (Nocioni), say NO WAY, he's just too old for their core.
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