This isn't my opinion. I'm asking about yours.
This relates directly to your posted link
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/feature...ame/index.html
Is Manu Ginobili clutch or not, in YOUR opinion.
Don't know enough about ginobili, so don't care. Ask a Spur fan if you like.
I do know enough about Bron, and he's better than Kobe. Period.
Kobe has taken the most game winners, missed the most, and yet is #4 in the league in made game winners.
That's sad for this overhyped "Clutch" player
I promise, once we bust apart this stupid John Schumann "Kobe ain't clutch" article, I'll move on to your 82 games list.
That list is stupid as well, but we'll talk about it after we finish with your first link/stats.
There's nothing to talk about.
Show me stats to disprove them.
otherwise, you are just jerking off in denial.
What? You can't give your opinion?
Ok. The stats are right there in front of your face in the link YOU posted.
You posted these stats,
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/feature...ame/index.html
So according to the link and stats you posted, is Manu Ginobili clutch or not clutch.
SHOW ME STATS TO prove that kobe is 'the most clutch in the NBA today"
Can you do it? Nope. LeBron is #1 in most everything clutch.
Laker fans in denial, once again.
Why don't you just answer the question? YOU posted the link, not me. I even asked you about it and you asked me if I had read it.
I've copied and pasted a picture of YOUR Link that YOU posted.
Is Manu Ginobili clutch according to YOUR link you posted?
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/feature...ame/index.html
You've lost my interest in posting to you, so if you have a point to make, make it quick
otherwise, you are just the same as other laker fans here, who try to hype up bryant without any facts.
I knew you wouldn't answer the question.
Anybody can make up/put together stats and write an article.
But actually understanding the stats is a whole lot different.
John Schuman's and 82Games article are both full of holes when you start to question their made up stats.
It's like John Hollinger saying the Spurs are going to miss the Playoffs and the Jazz are going to win the WCF predictions by using stupid numbers.
Where is the holes?
Show them, i'd like to see the proof of this claim. Cut the games and start talking.
I mean, I'd love to see how you are going to spin Kobe's most attempted, most missed, and yet #4 in made shots in NBA in game winners
Ok 1 at a time. I will prove to you that BOTH John Schuman and 82games are full of .
John Schuman.... Does he say Manu Ginobili is clutch or not?
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/feature...ame/index.html
Don't ask me questions.
I am reading and waiting for your proof. Cut the bull games and prove it.
You can't even answer questions about stats that YOU post.
These are bull stats that you can't even explain. How can these stats prove anything when nobody can explain them?
What good are these meaningless "facts/stats".
Still no proof
You = full of hot air.
No statistics to back up your boy Kobe Bryant.
Sad
I already posted my stats...you responded to them or else you and I never would have gotten into this argument.
Bird 36
Kobe ~30
Jordan 25
LeBron 17
I can fully explain my stats; ask away and I'll explain my stats. Please ask me about my stats and I will answer any questions. PLEASE, ask me about the stats, I am fully happy to answer. Please, please.
Yet YOU post stats and will not answer any questions about them. That is very weak.
Right here is where I posted my stats and you responded and I answered.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=249
I always leave your anti-Kobe posts alone because they're entertaining.
But if you are going out of your way to question me, I will question you.
Kobe has missed the most out of anyone on that list, and by a large amount.
So kobe's 30 is just volume shooting.
Again I ask you. Is clutch about winning?
Kobe has hit the most so he's winning games.
Super "efficient clutch" LeBron has lost 4 clutch/close games this year even though he's been very efficient in the clutch.
So losing games while being "efficiently clutch" like LeBron is better than winning games in-efficiently by Kobe?
That points to team superiority.
if LeBron has better 4th quarter clutch time stats, and yet loses some of those games even though he did good, but kobe has worse stats and wins
that means the Lakers as a TEAM are better than the Cavaliers team. LeBron isn't getting the help Kobe is.
For all the crap you give Derek Fisher, how many times does that midget nail a 3 to win a game? All the damn time.
Here's my view:
With 10 seconds left down by 2, gimme Lebron so he can get to the rim.
With 2 seconds left down by 2/3, gimme Kobe since he knows how to make clutch jump shots.
This isn't team superiority. This is directly the player themselves.
Kobe himself has hit 4 game winning shots this year. That's all about Kobe.
LeBron has hit 1 and missed 3 game winning shots. That is all LeBron. He was super-efficient up to that point.
So losing while being efficient is better than actually winning?
Kobe won 4 games, super-efficient LeBron himself lost 4 games off his own missed shot.
That's THIS SEASON
In the last 5 years though, LeBron > Kobe in game winning shots.
So you are saying Kobe is the most clutch player in the NBA THIS SEASON?
I haven't seen all of the stats for this year to make a judgement. Just because you say "Lebron made 1 and missed 3" doesn't mean it's canon. I bet it's not even correct, but again, I don't have the stats.
Show me proof
What I have seen is the past 5 years stats, and those point to LeBron, Melo, etc.. being better.
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