Brown wins Massachusetts Special Election

[George Gervin's Afro]

They are holding on to anything they can. Obama is done.

hey dummy he has three yrs left...

[jack sommerset]

hey dummy he has three yrs left...

Maybe......

[George Gervin's Afro]

Maybe......

you can still hold out hope jack..

[jack sommerset]

you can still hold out hope jack..

Kind of like I did for Scott Brown. Who would have thought that he would have taken over for the King of healthcare? Now thats funny.

[xrayzebra]

Maybe......

Oh, Jack. He has his three years. It just, hopefully, wont the like the last
year. He has still done a lot of damage. Even the good fairy, Barney Frank,
is sweet talking the voters of Mass. His district went for the Conservative.

Oh, how sweet it is. But it is only for now. Let's see what happens in the
next few months. See if the Republicans get the message. I mean the
good "Republican" Collin Powell voted for Obama. And we still have mealy
mouth McCain. Gee cant we just get along. And reach across the aisle.

I still have my dumbass Congressman, about as Liberal as you can get.
Charlie Gonzalez.

[baseline bum]

I think it's ridiculous to think a strongly liberal state became conservative overnight as opposed to a strongly liberal state being mad as that the supposed progressives they elected haven't done anything they promised.

[doobs]

I think it's ridiculous to think a strongly liberal state became conservative overnight as opposed to a strongly liberal state being mad as that the supposed progressives they elected haven't done anything they promised.

LOL, nice try.

[baseline bum]

LOL, nice try.

Such witty rebuttal. Sarcasm is the lowest form of debate, so I would expect nothing less from the dead-enders.

[baseline bum]

Seriously, how many progressives are for that garbage health bill the worthless senate was proposing? I don't see many here at all, and you expect those voters, who make up a strong majority in Massachusetts, to show up in droves to ensure passage of something they hate almost as much as the right-wingers?

[EmptyMan]

If progressives were wise, they would understand Obama cannot curbstomp the country with one single bill. They will have to chip away at the system until they can fully obtain their wet dream, Obama's wet dream, single-payer system.

I'll place my chips on the idea that independents just stepped up after seeing the ty performance the dems have carried out in the past year.

[coyotes_geek]

Seriously, how many progressives are for that garbage health bill the worthless senate was proposing? I don't see many here at all, and you expect those voters, who make up a strong majority in Massachusetts, to show up in droves to ensure passage of something they hate almost as much as the right-wingers?

No doubt the diehard progressives don't like the healthcare bill. But certainly the progessives had to understand that voting for Brown meant that they weren't going to end up with a plan that they'd like better than the current one. Brown's election made Obamacare difficult, if not impossible, to pass in it's current form, and the sledding gets even tougher next year after the republicans pick up some seats in November. I'll concede that I'm no expert in the progressive mindset, but do you really think that significant numbers of them chose to go with the "nuclear option" and blow the whole thing up instead of accepting the current bill?

JMO, but I think last night was more about the independents and middle-fringe democrats jumping ship. Again, JMO.......

[George Gervin's Afro]

Oh, Jack. He has his three years. It just, hopefully, wont the like the last
year. He has still done a lot of damage. Even the good fairy, Barney Frank,
is sweet talking the voters of Mass. His district went for the Conservative.

Oh, how sweet it is. But it is only for now. Let's see what happens in the
next few months. See if the Republicans get the message. I mean the
good "Republican" Collin Powell voted for Obama. And we still have mealy
mouth McCain. Gee cant we just get along. And reach across the aisle.

I still have my dumbass Congressman, about as Liberal as you can get.
Charlie Gonzalez.

I'm sure the feelings are mutual ray.

[George Gervin's Afro]

No doubt the diehard progressives don't like the healthcare bill. But certainly the progessives had to understand that voting for Brown meant that they weren't going to end up with a plan that they'd like better than the current one. Brown's election made Obamacare difficult, if not impossible, to pass in it's current form, and the sledding gets even tougher next year after the republicans pick up some seats in November. I'll concede that I'm no expert in the progressive mindset, but do you really think that significant numbers of them chose to go with the "nuclear option" and blow the whole thing up instead of accepting the current bill?

JMO, but I think last night was more about the independents and middle-fringe democrats jumping ship. Again, JMO.......

just froze over.. I agree with you.

[David Bowie]

The thing is Massachusetts already has a very good public healthcare system plan. I'm on it, and I wouldn't want it to change. I am not too familiar with obamacare, but I am happy with the way things are (health insurance wise) in Massachusetts. I am also happy Scot Brown won. I didn't vote because I never registered (because democrats always win anyway in MASS) but the rest of my family did. Happy with the results.

And I do think that this is a a huge indicator that people are unhappy with Obama.

[baseline bum]

No doubt the diehard progressives don't like the healthcare bill. But certainly the progessives had to understand that voting for Brown meant that they weren't going to end up with a plan that they'd like better than the current one. Brown's election made Obamacare difficult, if not impossible, to pass in it's current form, and the sledding gets even tougher next year after the republicans pick up some seats in November. I'll concede that I'm no expert in the progressive mindset, but do you really think that significant numbers of them chose to go with the "nuclear option" and blow the whole thing up instead of accepting the current bill?

JMO, but I think last night was more about the independents and middle-fringe democrats jumping ship. Again, JMO.......

I don't think progressives were motivated to turn out to vote at all. I certainly wouldn't have, as destroying that 60-seat majority has killed a bill that was worse than doing nothing thanks to blue dog losers like Nelson, Baucus, Lieberman, and Landrieu who completely ruined it.

[Wild Cobra]

I think it's ridiculous to think a strongly liberal state became conservative overnight as opposed to a strongly liberal state being mad as that the supposed progressives they elected haven't done anything they promised.

But the two candidates were running as a filibuster breaking vote, and a filibuster maintaining vote, focusing on mandatory health care insurance being forced on us.

It was the authoritarian facists vs. freedom living Americans, and the Americans won!

[baseline bum]

But the two candidates were running as a filibuster breaking vote, and a filibuster maintaining vote, focusing on mandatory health care insurance being forced on us.

It was the authoritarian facists vs. freedom living Americans, and the Americans won!

It was people pissed that health reform equated to more welfare to insurance companies. No one in his right mind could be happy with the corporate handout the bill was watered down to or the fact that Obama turned out to be another worthless Bush/Bush/Clinton/Reagan clone.

[Supergirl]

For people who care about facts, here they are:
Massachusetts showed up to vote on Tuesday, despite it snowing all day. 50% turn out in a special election, after we've had to vote EVERY MONTH for the past five months, is awesome turnout for this country.

Massachusetts is not suddenly becoming conservative. Nor is the demographics even shifting. Boston, Worcester, Springfield, Gloucester/Rockport, Lowell, the Cape, and the entire western part of the state voted for Coakley. The places that voted for Brown were more rural cities on the South Shore and North Shore and central Massachusetts. These have always been the more conservative parts of the state, though they're by no means *that* conservative. But they're also the areas likely to have been hit particularly hard by the economic downturn, because they have less high tech, education, and variety in job opportunities to begin with.

Here's why Brown won:
1. Massachusetts has near universal health care coverage already, so the urgency Coakley and Obama tried to convey over ensuring health care reform for the rest of the country didn't translate. People voted out of fear rather than altruism.

2. In a down economy, the "in bent" is always in danger of losing their job. Coakley was successfully labeled the "in bent" by simply being a Dem, because the Dems are the ones in power right now.

3. Coakley ran a lazy campaign, expecting to cruise after the primary, and Brown capitalized. Coakley has also never faced a close race before - she won in a landslide the last time she ran for attorney general.

[baseline bum]

Not acknowledging this vote as a reflection on Obama is crazy.

[Wild Cobra]

Not acknowledging this vote as a reflection on Obama is crazy.

I think it would be more accurate to frame it as a vote against the liberal agenda.

[baseline bum]

I think it would be more accurate to frame it as a vote against the liberal agenda.

It's hard to call it a liberal agenda, when it was watered down by conservative democrats.

[Marcus Bryant]

I hope Obama's base continues to be so delusional.

[TeyshaBlue]

For people who care about facts, here they are:
Massachusetts showed up to vote on Tuesday, despite it snowing all day. 50% turn out in a special election, after we've had to vote EVERY MONTH for the past five months, is awesome turnout for this country.

Massachusetts is not suddenly becoming conservative. Nor is the demographics even shifting. Boston, Worcester, Springfield, Gloucester/Rockport, Lowell, the Cape, and the entire western part of the state voted for Coakley. The places that voted for Brown were more rural cities on the South Shore and North Shore and central Massachusetts. These have always been the more conservative parts of the state, though they're by no means *that* conservative. But they're also the areas likely to have been hit particularly hard by the economic downturn, because they have less high tech, education, and variety in job opportunities to begin with.

Here's why Brown won:
1. Massachusetts has near universal health care coverage already, so the urgency Coakley and Obama tried to convey over ensuring health care reform for the rest of the country didn't translate. People voted out of fear rather than altruism.

2. In a down economy, the "in bent" is always in danger of losing their job. Coakley was successfully labeled the "in bent" by simply being a Dem, because the Dems are the ones in power right now.

3. Coakley ran a lazy campaign, expecting to cruise after the primary, and Brown capitalized. Coakley has also never faced a close race before - she won in a landslide the last time she ran for attorney general.

Denial...river...and all that.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'll give her credit. At least she didn't mention voting machines, the CIA, and yellow cake.

[spursncowboys]

Such witty rebuttal. Sarcasm is the lowest form of debate, so I would expect nothing less from the dead-enders.

"You should go your mother so she can have another baby for the welfare."