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    Originally Posted by baseline bum

    "You should go your mother so she can have another baby for the welfare."

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    [quote=Supergirl;4013916]For people who care about facts, here they are:
    Massachusetts showed up to vote on Tuesday, despite it snowing all day. 50% turn out in a special election, after we've had to vote EVERY MONTH for the past five months, is awesome turnout for this country.

    Massachusetts is not suddenly becoming conservative. Nor is the demographics even shifting. Boston, Worcester, Springfield, Gloucester/Rockport, Lowell, the Cape, and the entire western part of the state voted for Coakley. The places that voted for Brown were more rural cities on the South Shore and North Shore and central Massachusetts. These have always been the more conservative parts of the state, though they're by no means *that* conservative. But they're also the areas likely to have been hit particularly hard by the economic downturn, because they have less high tech, education, and variety in job opportunities to begin with.

    Here's why Brown won:
    1. Massachusetts has near universal health care coverage already, so the urgency Coakley and Obama tried to convey over ensuring health care reform for the rest of the country didn't translate. People voted out of fear rather than altruism.

    2. In a down economy, the "in bent" is always in danger of losing their job. Coakley was successfully labeled the "in bent" by simply being a Dem, because the Dems are the ones in power right now.




    Yeah, well nice thought, but your gonna have a hard time selling that to all the dem. rats in congress that are suddenly abandoning the U.S.S. Obama.

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    I hope Obama's base continues to be so delusional.
    ...big talk for 41 Senators..wake me up if you ever break 45.....


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    ...big talk for 41 Senators..wake me up if you ever break 45.....

    Dude if the DNC just lost" kennedy's seat" and you're still napping,please don't let us disturb you.sleep on.

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    ...big talk for 41 Senators..wake me up if you ever break 45.....

    Considering this is the most partisan Congress in recent memory, 41 is as good as 51.

    Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have decided they don't need Republicans to have their way -- ooops! -- there goes the super majority and their filibuster-busting swagger.

    And, to the point of Massachusetts, if they learn nothing from losing "Kennedy's Seat" to a Republican who was behind by double-digits, just a month ago, November should be a bloodbath at the voting booth.

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    Kennedy's dead....if a real Kennedy had run, they would have won...what's your point?

    More data..

    Massachusetts voters who backed Barack Obama in the presidential election a year ago and either switched support to Republican Senate candidate Scott Brown or simply stayed home, said in a poll conducted after the election Tuesday night that if Democrats enact tougher policies on Wall Street, they'll be more likely to come back to the party in the next election.

    A majority of Obama voters who switched to Brown said that "Democratic policies were doing more to help Wall Street than Main Street." A full 95 percent said the economy was important or very important when it came to deciding their vote.

    In a somewhat paradoxical finding, a plurality of voters who switched to the Republican -- 37 percent -- said that Democrats were not being "hard enough" in challenging Republican policies.

    It would be hard to find a clearer indication, it seems, that Tuesday's vote was cast in protest.

    The poll also upends the conventional understanding of health care's role in the election. A plurality of people who switched -- 48 -- or didn't vote -- 43 -- said that they opposed the Senate health care bill. But the poll dug deeper and asked people why they opposed it. Among those Brown voters, 23 percent thought it went "too far" -- but 36 percent thought it didn't go far enough and 41 percent said they weren't sure why they opposed it.
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    Considering this is the most partisan Congress in recent memory, 41 is as good as 51.

    Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have decided they don't need Republicans to have their way -- ooops! -- there goes the super majority and their filibuster-busting swagger.
    ....put down the bong, that's why they've been courting Snowe right?

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    Kennedy's dead....if a real Kennedy had run, they would have won...what's your point?

    More data..



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    The Huffungton Post? My God that's like the blind leading the stupid......I mean if you bought that Hope and Change you'll buy anything.

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    So now you hate polls again...did I miss a memo?

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    Kennedy's dead....if a real Kennedy had run, they would have won...what's your point?
    Gee, I don't know. A real en led, privileged, establishment, neo-whatever Kennedy didn't. And the Dems lost. And the Dems are bailling on the president. Fairly obvious to the non-moron.

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    It was in response to WC telling me to go myself, SnC, you inbred.

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    The Huffungton Post? My God that's like the blind leading the stupid......I mean if you bought that Hope and Change you'll buy anything.
    You're delusional if you think Snowe or any other left-leaning Republican is going to vote for Obamacare after what we witnessed in Massachusetts last night. , even Ben Nelson is trying to walk back from his blunder.

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    Kennedy's dead....if a real Kennedy had run, they would have won...what's your point?
    , if Michael Capuano had run, Dem's would have won. No way he would have let Brown outwork him or define the election. I think people are seriously underestimating just how poor a campaign Coakley ran here.

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    , if Michael Capuano had run, Dem's would have won. No way he would have let Brown outwork him or define the election. I think people are seriously underestimating just how poor a campaign Coakley ran here.
    I don't know about that. Coakley ran a poor campaign, but the reason she got the nomination is because she EASILY won the entire state outside of Boston. And I say this as someone who voted for Capuano - he's a good guy, always responsive to my concerns (he's my rep) and a tough no-nonsense Somerville kinda guy. But I don't think he would have fared better than Coakley, even if he ran a better campaign. As I said earlier, Coakley didn't do poorly, and won all the parts of the state you'd expect. But she failed to convince the more rural voters of the urgency of health care reform. Trust me, the urban voters (Boston, Worcester, Springfield) and those in the western part of the state and the Cape are all very much behind the Dems.

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    The thing is Massachusetts already has a very good public healthcare system plan. I'm on it, and I wouldn't want it to change. I am not too familiar with obamacare, but I am happy with the way things are (health insurance wise) in Massachusetts. I am also happy Scot Brown won. I didn't vote because I never registered (because democrats always win anyway in MASS) but the rest of my family did. Happy with the results.

    And I do think that this is a a huge indicator that people are unhappy with Obama.
    And why do you think that you deserve health insurance, but the rest of the country doesn't? I'm just sayin'.

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    I don't know about that. Coakley ran a poor campaign, but the reason she got the nomination is because she EASILY won the entire state outside of Boston. And I say this as someone who voted for Capuano - he's a good guy, always responsive to my concerns (he's my rep) and a tough no-nonsense Somerville kinda guy. But I don't think he would have fared better than Coakley, even if he ran a better campaign. As I said earlier, Coakley didn't do poorly, and won all the parts of the state you'd expect. But she failed to convince the more rural voters of the urgency of health care reform. Trust me, the urban voters (Boston, Worcester, Springfield) and those in the western part of the state and the Cape are all very much behind the Dems.
    Even Capuano called how bad the situation was on the ground, I just have to think he would have cut off those avenues for Brown that Coakley didn't address early enough. Not to mention I would see him having more than 19 events. And knowing who Schilling roots for Probably just petty speculation on my part after the fact.

    I had read a conspiracy theory of sorts that the Boston machine didn't get out in force for Coakley, any truth to that?

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    It was in response to WC telling me to go myself, SnC, you inbred.
    OMG...

    You're not ready to cry are you?

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    OMG...

    You're not ready to cry are you?
    Just responding to your stupid lap dog

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    Even Capuano called how bad the situation was on the ground, I just have to think he would have cut off those avenues for Brown that Coakley didn't address early enough. Not to mention I would see him having more than 19 events. And knowing who Schilling roots for Probably just petty speculation on my part after the fact.

    I had read a conspiracy theory of sorts that the Boston machine didn't get out in force for Coakley, any truth to that?
    No, there was a HUGE push from multiple organized fronts. But Coakley got a late start thinking she could cruise to the election after the primary and couldn't catch all the way up.

    Heard a stat tonight from the organizers that two weeks ago there was a 2o% difference in how likely Coakley supporters were to vote than Brown supporters. By election day they made up that gap. It just wasn't quite enough this time.

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    It's hard to call it a liberal agenda, when it was watered down by conservative democrats.
    To call the ones who still voted for it conservative is a complete joke. Watering it down was required for them to out their vote.

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    Will Brown Give Back the Federal Money that Subsidized Health Reform in Massachusetts?

    By Igor Volsky, Think Progress

    Posted on January 22, 2010, Printed on January 22, 2010
    http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/htt...s.org//145336/



    Senator-elect Scott Brown (R-MA) supports Massachusetts’ 2006 health care reform but opposes the near-identical Senate health care bill. During the campaign, Brown promised to provide the 41st vote for any national reform effort that required states like Massachusetts to finance reform elsewhere:
    Thank you for the question, the health care plan is not good for Bay State Health Center here in Springfield, I worked on that health care bill, the problem with it is that we have 98% of our people insured and we have to look at pricing it’s getting out of control – but the Federal plan, taking a half trillion from Medicare, why would we go and subsidize the failure of other states – not only would we be paying for our plan, we’d be paying for everyone else – and look at the back door deals – I think people have lost confidence – and I think that we need to go back – I’d work on it – why do we need a one size fits all government approach we already did it.
    Watch it:

    But if Brown believes that Americans should not have to finance other states’ reform efforts, he should return the federal dollars that subsidize Massachusetts’ Medicaid expansion. After all, the state’s 2006 health care reform legislation included an expansion of Medicaid for children up to 300% of the federal poverty level and increased enrollment caps on existing Medicaid programs for adults. Massachusetts relied “very heavily on federal Medicaid funds to finance the plan, including $385 million in annual federal Medicaid payments that would have been lost in the absence of a plan to reduce the number of uninsured.”

    Massachusetts used federal funds because, like all states, it lacked the economic capacity to invest in something as big as health care reform. Only the federal government can fix the systematic problems plaguing the health care system and improve the system in an equitable manner. Brown’s insistence that states can do reform on their own, is just a back door way for preserving the status quo that denies millions of Americans the kind of reforms that they’re financing in Massachusetts.

    © 2010 Think Progress All rights reserved.
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    So Brown loves to spend Other Peoples' Money? How deeply conservative and Ruggedly Socialist of him.

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    And why do you think that you deserve health insurance, but the rest of the country doesn't? I'm just sayin'.

    If the people of MA want their own state-run health plan, why should it be forced upon the rest of us? I'm just sayin'.

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    If the people of MA want their own state-run health plan, why should it be forced upon the rest of us? I'm just sayin'.
    Is the current healthcare reform bill identical to the MA one? I'm just sayin'

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    Is the current healthcare reform bill identical to the MA one? I'm just sayin'
    it's pretty similar - based on a marketplace for insurance co to offer plans, but with a public option for people who make less than 30K a year.

    as a provider, I can say that there was a DRAMATIC shift when it went into effect. I used to routinely meet families who had no health insurance, were working and not eligible for Mass Health, which is the public option (the public option has been in effect prior to the health insurance reform). The change is that now, if families make too much money for Mass Health but can't afford private plans, they become eligible for Commonwealth Care, which offers health insurance plans at a reduced premium. It's been a lifesaver, and now 98% of people in Massachusetts have health insurance. Which has subsequently de-clogged our ERs and made the system more effective.

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    God, I hope so.

    Expect big gains in the market tomorrow...particularly with health care related stocks.


    Nice !

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