Rush 'meant' what he said about Haiti

[clambake]

can we call you "arianna"?

[Winehole23]

It's a free country, clambake. Call me whatever you want.

[clambake]

It's a free country, clambake. Call me whatever you want.

i thought it went marxist?

[spursncowboys]

BTW, SnC, my heated reply to you had to as much do with your suggestion that my source of information about the lack of food, water, medical care and security was "slanted" or otherwise untrustworthy b/c the source was NPR, as your grievously misplaced focus on foreign aid in general and federal disaster aid.

You then followed up with an ad hominem attack suggesting against all credibility and evidence in this forum, that I rely exclusively on NPR and HuffPo for what I post here, and inferentially, that what I posted on Haiti was less than trustworthy.

What was the point of all that, if we are essentially in agreement about the condition of Haiti, and the moral and political necessity of aid? I'd really like to know.

You complain that I ran down your "brand", but you seem to have forgotten you attacked mine first.

I did generalize on your comments. I'm sorry. I do have a problem with the type of stories npr push. It was NPR historically and it was not a shot against that specific story. I will be specific and avoid ad hominem attacks in the future.

[Winehole23]

You tell me, clambake. if I know.

[Winehole23]

I did generalize on your comments. I'm sorry. I do have a problem with the type of stories npr push. It was NPR historically and it was not a shot against that specific story.

Contextually, that wasn't too clear, but ok.

I will be specific and avoid ad hominem attacks in the future.

Just be specific. The ad hominem didn't bother me so much as that you seemed to be minimizing the reliable, basic reporting on this story. It's in Haiti right now. You seemed to be questioning that.

Perhaps I misunderstood you, SnC, but you certainly did yourself no favors by making an offhand comment about the unreliability of NPR, when the information I cited was, and is, COMPLETELY UNDISPUTABLE.

[clambake]

i think his point is thats its always in haiti.

the way it should be.

[Winehole23]

That isn't entirely of their own making. Haiti had considerable "assistance" in constructing it.

[clambake]

That isn't entirely of their own making. Haiti had considerable "assistance" in constructing it.

now you're talking to me, and not him.

he's not complex.


i'm anxiously awaiting his thesis on indonesia.

[Cry Havoc]

now you're talking to me, and not him.

he's not complex.


i'm anxiously awaiting his thesis on indonesia.

"Lots of islands."

[George Gervin's Afro]

I think it can be both.

What was it Rahm Emmanuel said? That's right, "Never let a good crisis go to waste."

I hope we throw everything we have at providing relief for the Haitian people but, don't think for one minute, the Obama administration isn't calibrating their actions for the most political benefit.

yoni are forgetting the 9/11 attack ..to then justify the Iraq war..talk about not letting a good crisis go to waste. I don't remember you complaining about it the political benefits war gives the republicans... oh wait you don't care about being intellectually honest or fair..n ever mind.

[TeyshaBlue]

yoni are forgetting the 9/11 attack ..to then justify the Iraq war..talk about not letting a good crisis go to waste. I don't remember you complaining about it the political benefits war gives the republicans... oh wait you don't care about being intellectually honest or fair..n ever mind.

9/11 happened in Haiti?

[boutons_deux]

Haiti is Disaster Capitalism. Watch US military invade and occupy Haiti under the pretext of a policing action, when really it's making Haiti safe for US investors and suppliers.

[TeyshaBlue]

Haiti is Disaster Capitalism. Watch US military invade and occupy Haiti under the pretext of a policing action, when really it's making Haiti safe for US investors and suppliers.

Haiti has no oil, boutonsky.

Invade and occupy. , that's hilarious.




and by hilarious I mean, galactically stupid.

[coyotes_geek]

Haiti is Disaster Capitalism. Watch US military invade and occupy Haiti under the pretext of a policing action, when really it's making Haiti safe for US investors and suppliers.

If Haiti had anything that US investors were interested in, those investors would have been invested there a long, long time ago. And they wouldn't have needed anyone to remove the Haitian government to do it.

[boutons_deux]

The US has already dumped/kidnapped democratically elected Aristide twice because he refused to privatize functioning nationalized industries.

Once the industries were privatized, they were sold to investors, and closed, forcing Haiti to buy stuff from, hmm, companies controlled by the same investors.

eg, flour, cement, hogs, etc.

I expect foreigners will end up controlling water, gas, electricity, telephones, fuel. The increased enslavement of Haiti by foreign capital continues, as it has been since it became an independent country.

No, it's not on the scale of the oil industry, but there will be 10s of $Bs of foreign (taxpayer) aid pouring in, and the foreign corps and capitalists will be there to vacuum it up, just like in Iraq, under the watchful guns of the policing US military and murderous/raping mercenaries.

And just like in Iraq, the contractors will fail to deliver quality work, there will be little serious accounting, $Bs just plain disappear, fraud.

You guys are so ing naive to think the US actually has any country's best interest in mind other than the US's own best interest.

[Winehole23]

Haiti has no oil, boutonsky.

Invade and occupy. , that's hilarious.




and by hilarious I mean, galactically stupid.

He probably read the Cynthia McKinney thing on this. I don't know how Haiti could possibly keep such massive reserves of oil ("makes Venezuela look like a glass of water" according to one source), gold and iridium a secret for so long, but (advocatus diaboli, right?) if it were possible to keep it a secret, and the US knew the secret, I have little doubt we'd use that knowledge to our maximum advantage. Haiti and the Dominican Republic are easy for us to push around.

[Winehole23]

If Haiti had anything that US investors were interested in, those investors would have been invested there a long, long time ago. And they wouldn't have needed anyone to remove the Haitian government to do it.

True.

[coyotes_geek]

The US has already dumped/kidnapped democratically elected Aristide twice because he refused to privatize functioning nationalized industries.

Once the industries were privatized, they were sold to investors, and closed, forcing Haiti to buy stuff from, hmm, companies controlled by the same investors.

eg, flour, cement, hogs, etc.

I expect foreigners will end up controlling water, gas, electricity, telephones, fuel. The increased enslavement of Haiti by foreign capital continues, as it has been since it became an independent country.

No, it's not on the scale of the oil industry, but there will be 10s of $Bs of foreign (taxpayer) aid pouring in, and the foreign corps and capitalists will be there to vacuum it up, just like in Iraq, under the watchful guns of the policing US military and murderous/raping mercenaries.

And just like in Iraq, the contractors will fail to deliver quality work, there will be little serious accounting, $Bs just plain disappear, fraud.

You guys are so ing naive to think the US actually has any country's best interest in mind other than the US's own best interest.

$10's of billions? Don't be ridiculous. Haiti's pre-quake GDP was only $7 billion, a figure they're not going to be coming close to any time soon. And the tsunami releif effort didn't even make it to $15 billion. Most of the money flowing in to Haiti will be going to humanitarian efforts, not reconstruction. Sure, there will be a little money to be made by someone to do some reconstruction, but it's not all that much. Especially considering how there are much greener pastures to be found by the investors and corporations in the affluent nations of the globe as those nations' governments spend hundreds, if not thousands, times the money going to Haiti trying to stimulate their own economies. So you'll have a select few making some bucks off some reconstruction, but once the relief funds dry up they'll be gone. They'll be gone because there's no money to be made in Haiti. It's a poor nation. To suggest that there is some great untapped profit potential in that nation, great enough to motivate the U.S. into whatever kind of takeover you think is going on, is ridiculous. If such a potential existed, it would have been tapped by someone a long time ago and Haiti wouldn't be the poverty stricken nation that they are.

[Cry Havoc]

The US has already dumped/kidnapped democratically elected Aristide twice because he refused to privatize functioning nationalized industries.

Once the industries were privatized, they were sold to investors, and closed, forcing Haiti to buy stuff from, hmm, companies controlled by the same investors.

eg, flour, cement, hogs, etc.

I expect foreigners will end up controlling water, gas, electricity, telephones, fuel. The increased enslavement of Haiti by foreign capital continues, as it has been since it became an independent country.

No, it's not on the scale of the oil industry, but there will be 10s of $Bs of foreign (taxpayer) aid pouring in, and the foreign corps and capitalists will be there to vacuum it up, just like in Iraq, under the watchful guns of the policing US military and murderous/raping mercenaries.

And just like in Iraq, the contractors will fail to deliver quality work, there will be little serious accounting, $Bs just plain disappear, fraud.

You guys are so ing naive to think the US actually has any country's best interest in mind other than the US's own best interest.

And the thread gets a little dumber. I didn't know that was possible. Congratulations, boutons.

Next we'll invade/take over Pakistan, because that country is just full of wealth waiting to be exploited.

[George Gervin's Afro]

9/11 happened in Haiti?

Yoni is board's biggest Iraq war ... and he's also a hypocrite.

[Winehole23]

You know, GGA, I dish on Yoni probably more than anyone here, but your global judgment about his character is out of place in this thread.

[George Gervin's Afro]

You know, GGA, I dish on Yoni probably more than anyone here, but your global judgment about his character is out of place in this thread.

My problem with Yoni is that he had no problem the Bush administration using 9/11 as a 'crisis not be wasted' to justify the war in Iraq.. and now he crticizes the dems for doing the same thing. I don't like people who are hypocrites..just like snc stating that he 'f*cking hates when people assume what he's thinking' yet he has no problem doing the same thing when it comes to posting about Obama and the democrats.. you can't have it both ways

would you consider this hypocrisy?

[Winehole23]

More like partiality to political faction, but I see what you mean. FWIW, I doubt you're immune to it yourself, GGA.

[George Gervin's Afro]

More like partiality to political faction, but I see what you mean. FWIW, I doubt you're immune to it yourself, GGA.

I'm not a hypocrite.