I don't understand. I thought New Jersey pulled off the heist of the century
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...ris-trade-talk
The Nets’ willingness to move point guard Devin Harris has been a popular topic since our own Chad Ford included Harris – even with visions of Harris' 2008-09 breakout season still so fresh – on ESPN.com’s list of 25 prime trade candidates before the league’s Feb. 18 deadline.
Chad subsequently mentioned a possible Harris-for-Caron Butler scenario in a SportsNation chat earlier this week, which was followed by ESPN The Magazine’s Ric Bucher reporting on the NBA Today podcast with Ryen Russillo that the Lakers have inquired about Harris because of concerns about their ability to contain quicker guards defensively.
One source close to the situation, however, cautioned Wednesday night that the Nets do prefer to keep Harris for the rest of this season – specifically through the draft lottery in May at a minimum – before dealing him.
The Nets still regard second-year center Brook Lopez as their only untouchable and are undeniably somewhat dismayed that Harris hasn’t been able to follow up last season’s All-Star appearance with a next-step season.
The Nets, though, also concede that it would be far easier to shop Harris if they know they’ve just won the right to draft Kentucky’s John Wall with the No. 1 overall pick. If they don’t win the Wall lottery, with no other impact point guards forecasted to be available in the draft or through free agency, dealing Harris based on what they’ve seen during this nightmare season might prove to be a hasty call.
... and compare that to the recent play by Kidd, with an over 7 to 1 assist-turnover ratio!
This Mavs team has problems, or better yet limitations. It needs better offensive play by their wing positons especially. But Kidd is not the problem, if anything it has allowed Dirk to be Dirk more than ever.
Here's something about Harris and Kidd, what player doesn't need Kidd to be good? Oh yeah, Brook Lopez.
Dirk needing Kidd to win is funny. Guess he isn't as good as people think he is
Dirk playing off you is 100 times better than Brook Lopez playing off Magic Johnson, just to make things clear.
Dirk isn't playing off me, he is playing off Jason Kidd and Dirk will be out of the league before Brook Lopez, who hasn't missed a game yet(knock on wood) so I don't have to worry about Dirk much longer, maybe 3 or 4 years at best
and I'm not saying Dirk isn't good, because he is, people I know(no one on here) are saying Dirk is playing well because of Kidd, if that is true then he isn't as good as people think. IMO you have yours and I have mine all well ends well. We can both agree Brook and Dirk will both be playing longer then Kidd
hey just saying Dirk needing Kidd is dumb, Dirk doesn't need Kidd, Dirk is still the Mavs best player. Kidd just needs to get Dirk the ball, Harris did that with Dirk on the Mavs. So far I'd say Dirk and Harris is better then Dirk and Kidd at least Dirk and Harris were in the finals, lost but still better then nothing. Kidd and Dirk haven't been in the finals and won't be again this year
we've been through this a thousand times, harris is shooting 38% from the field or something alike and sucks, while kidd had 15 assists last night. kidd > harris for the duration of his stint on the mavericks, and harris wasn't going to be a longterm cornerstone to build on anyway. he's hardly starting pg material
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...ong-spin-cycle
A decade ago, the Nets were sad, divided and disappointed.
They had an alpha-dog point guard who had arrived from a better team, ready to show what he could really do. They had a coach who was really smart and friendly but maybe a tad too soft-spoken and thoughtful to take command of the situation. They had a big man, drafted high, who went long periods without touching the ball.
Which is all true today.
Back then, the leading characters were Stephon Marbury, Don Casey and Keith Van Horn.
Now it's Devin Harris, Kiki Vandeweghe and your choice of Brook Lopez or Yi Jianlian.
I hear you Devin Harris fans. You're saying: How dare you compare this talented young player to the icon of self-centered gunners?
By now it's well accepted that Marbury was more or less a bust just about everywhere he went -- the kind of super-talent who could always get his but never cared much about the rest of his team, and as a result did a heck of a lot of losing.
Harris is a long way from that. But maybe not as far as you might think.
Did you notice that the Nets had their best game of the season on Wednesday, when Harris sat out with a sprained wrist?
That got me thinking more about the idea that Harris might have a little Marbury in him, exactly a decade later. Some things I have learned:
The Nets have been shockingly bad when Harris is on the court. When Harris plays, the team scores about 100 points per 100 possessions, and gives up more than 116 -- a devastating number. When his replacement Keyon Dooling is in, according to basketballvalue.com, the numbers are dramatically better: The Nets score about two fewer points per 100 possessions, but instead of giving up 116, they give up just 101. 15 points better on defense! Wow. (There are lots of reasons to take this analysis with a grain of salt. Harris generally plays with and against starters, while Dooling plays with and against backups. However, adjusted plus/minus, which attempts to account for those differences, ranks Harris as percentage points from being this season's worst Net.)
Dooling ran the show last night, and keyed the win. In the game-deciding fourth quarter run, Dooling had two buckets, two assists and a steal. He made all five of his shots in the fourth quarter. Notable was that not only did Dooling play well, but he also got several Nets in the mix. Terrence Williams, Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries, Chris Douglas-Roberts ... there have not been a lot of Harris-led games with so many Nets shining.
You who say Harris is not nearly as selfish as Marbury, let's compare. A decade ago, yes Marbury used more possessions than Harris does now: 28.2% compared to 24.9 for Harris. And Marbury shot more about 20% more per minute. But he also shot more accurately (53% true shooting percentage compared to 49%), and most importantly passed the ball far more. Marbury had an assist rate of .39, while Harris is just .32. Harris is 14th in usage rate among point guards, but his assist rate is way down the list at 39th. What's more, Harris has a PER of 14.9 this year, while Marbury was at 20.7 a decade ago. Also worth noting: Harris is 26. Marbury, then, was just 22.
You could keep going on with the comparisons between the teams. Harris had played with an MVP big man in Dirk Nowitzki before coming to the Nets. Marbury had played with Kevin Garnett. Kerry Kittles -- an athletic "D and 3s" guy is not dissimilar from Courtney Lee.
And there's one last similarity. Today's Nets are essentially praying for a savior from out of town who will show up, change the culture, and lead them to the Finals immediately. LeBron James, perhaps. It might seem like a crazy gambit. But stranger things have happened. Jason Kidd arrived in the summer of 2001, and that very next year those same players who had been so miserable for so long were in the Finals.
We get it, Findog.
You don't like when people say the Kidd-Harris trade was one of the worst of the decade.
Worst of the decade for whom? The Nets?
I have my own thoughts about it.
But you bump this thread like once a month.
All I'm saying is we get it. The guy's been injured and Kidd is averaging around 9 assists and Dirk is havign a great season.
Anything else is beating a dead horse.
Well, there were a lot of threads last year when he had Vince Carter to play off of and got his Chris Gatling/Jamaal Magloire-esque All Star selection.
Right. But it's a Spurs board full of fans who love to see the Mavs fail...so threads to make the Mavs as a team or their FO look stupid/wrong are bound to pop up.
For the record, I don't disagree with you that this trade isn't as lopsided as most people thought it was when it happened.
My main problem with the trade was that Harris didn't ever seem to be the problem for Dallas, I mean they made it to the finals with that team. But I didn't like the trade because I wonder if the Mavs are considering the team post Dirk-era. Also, bringing in Kidd for Harris gave up defensive quickness on the perimeter in Harris.
That said, it's near the same as the Spurs all-in mentality this year being that the Mavs were trying to do what's best for their team now. It's not as terrible as some people thought and I don't think the Mavs front office is as incompetent as people made it seem also. However, I still don't think I would have traded Harris for Kidd, but that's just me.
Sure, Harris is doing bad now, but it's easy to bump threads now when he's been hurt all year and is putting up piss poor numbers which are killing my fantasy team.
Harris isn't making Net fans forget Kidd, people got in all wrong Brook Lopez is making Net fans forget all about Kidd. The Kidd-Harris talk has to die like now. Talk Brook Lopez. He looks good and he doesn't play with Kidd, can you picture if Kidd was on the Nets playing with Brook, of course if Kidd was still on the Nets we would have made the playoffs prob and missed out on Brook so this trade was even. Let go a good player and got another up and coming good player in Brook
Stop posting.
Andre Miller making Dallas fans miss Devin Harris.
Andre Miller would probably overpower Harris as well to be honeest.
Never in his life would he drop 52 on Devin Harris.
That's why you don't trade a young athletic pg + 2 1st rounders for washed up, wife-beating 36 year old shooting guards.
You're right. If only we had a young athletic pg who had length. Than we would have won this game for sure!
Hey I'm probably the most angry fan on that trade out of everyone. I think I remember a game where Miller went off on Harris as well. Of course not 52 but I believe he got like 30 something points.
lol @ you bringing up the 1st rounders.
Oh no Ryan Anderson! :tears
Never underestimate the value of a first round draft pick.
Courtney Lee
George Hill
Nic Batum
Serge Ibaka
CDR
Dragic
All of these guys have been better than your average late 1st round/early second round pick.
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