Artest: "Cavs nothing without LeBron"

[badfish22]

Shaq>Bynum

plus you got odom on the bench

[himat]

Yeah, I gotta agree with Allanon. I dont think the Lakers would be in 1st place let alone the playoffs w/o KoMe!

Granted, some of the role players could be starters & possibly be on an All-Star bench but, not on this KoMe lead team!

They would not be in 1st place but they would still make the playoffs. Memphis made the playoffs with Pau Gasol as the star player. Yes, they got swept every year but they still made the playoffs. Cleveland would be at the bottom of the East w/o LeBron.

I am not arguing that Kobe is insignificant. He is arguably the best player in the NBA, but to say he doesn't have a great supporting cast is ignorant.

Even Kobe himself said he is lucky to have a better supporting cast than LeBron, Wade, etc. I'll find the quote.

[Allanon]

I said they are all star CALIBER you dumb ass. And Pau Gasol has been an all star before re .

Look stick. They are not All Stars. Pau was an All star before, and Shaq is a 10+ time All Star. This is 2010. Pau is NOT an All Star and neither is Shaq. I'd take 38 year old Shaq any day over 30 year old Pau Gasol. Stern would be engraving the LOB right now if Kobe had Shaq again and the Lakers would be having 83 win Ecstasy.

And are you telling me you would rather have Delonte West run the point over Derek Fisher if a big playoff game was happening today?

Today = Regular Season. We're talking about regular season.

In the regular season, Delonte > Fisher.

You don't even back up what you say. Typical bandwagon ass Laker fan who does not know until L.A. becomes championship contenders once again.

Whatever dumb . Pisonfan wishing it was 2004 all over again.

[Allanon]

plus you got odom on the bench

Did you not see Shaq own both Pau and Bynum on Thursday?

Is this true or not?

Shaq>Bynum
Verajao<Pau
Lebron>Artest
Parker<Kobe
Delonte>Fisher

[himat]

I have one for you Badfish

Shaq>Bynum
Verajao<Pau
Lebron>Artest
Parker<Kobe
Delonte>Fisher

Is this not true?

You are such a dumb . You have to explain how MUCH better each player is.

Shaq is SLIGHTLY better than Bynum especially later in the season when Shaq will start to break down.

Pau is WAY better than Verajao. If you don't think that you are a dumb ass.

Artest is MUCH better than Anthony Parker. He hits shots, but is a game changer on defense.

Kobe and LeBron...for now lets say they cancel each other out.

Delonte West is SLIGHTLY better than Fisher.

Odom, Shannon Brown, Farmar, Walton is WAY better than Mo Williams, Gibson, and Ilgauskas.

And lastly Phil Jackson >>>>>>>Mike Brown.

[Allanon]

You are such a dumb . You have to explain how MUCH better each player is.

Hahah, you little .

Making excuses now for the King?

Typical Pistonfan is full of excuses as usual.

[djohn2oo8]

You are such a dumb . You have to explain how MUCH better each player is.

Shaq is SLIGHTLY better than Bynum especially later in the season when Shaq will start to break down.

Pau is WAY better than Verajao. If you don't think that you are a dumb ass.

Artest is MUCH better than Anthony Parker. He hits shots, but is a game changer on defense.

Kobe and LeBron...for now lets say they cancel each other out.

Delonte West is SLIGHTLY better than Fisher.

Odom, Shannon Brown, Farmar, Walton is WAY better than Mo Williams, Gibson, and Ilgauskas.

And lastly Phil Jackson >>>>>>>Mike Brown.

LeBron proved that, huh?

[himat]

Look stick. They are not All Stars. Pau was an All star before, and Shaq is a 10+ time All Star. This is 2010. Pau is NOT an All Star and neither is Shaq. I'd take 38 year old Shaq any day over 30 year old Pau Gasol. Stern would be engraving the LOB right now if Kobe had Shaq again and the Lakers would be having 83 win Ecstasy.



Today = Regular Season. We're talking about regular season.

In the regular season, Delonte > Fisher.



Whatever dumb . Pisonfan wishing it was 2004 all over again.

Shaq had a very good game when Cavs faced the Lakers, but he is not the same Shaq as before. Right now he is barely averaging double digits (10.7 ppg)

Okay lets say we're talking about regular season. Don't all you Laker fans argue that Kobe is >LeBron because he has 4 rings and LeBron has none? As far as regular season goes LeBron is tied with Kobe in MVP's and he's about to get another one this year if he keeps his play up. That's not supporting cast that is LeBron just being better than Kobe.

But let me guess you are now going to bring up playoff . But remember we are ONLY talking about regular season. Okay.

[Allanon]

Shaq had a very good game when Cavs faced the Lakers, but he is not the same Shaq as before. Right now he is barely averaging double digits (10.7 ppg)

Okay lets say we're talking about regular season. Don't all you Laker fans argue that Kobe is >LeBron because he has 4 rings and LeBron has none? As far as regular season goes LeBron is tied with Kobe in MVP's and he's about to get another one this year if he keeps his play up. That's not supporting cast that is LeBron just being better than Kobe.

But let me guess you are now going to bring up playoff . But remember we are ONLY talking about regular season. Okay.

Why are you changing the subject? Fix this first so that Lebron has weaker players with him:

Shaq>Bynum
Verajao<Pau
Lebron>Artest
Parker<Kobe
Delonte>Fisher

By my count, that's 3 positions in favor of the Cavs.

[Pero]

Look stick. They are not All Stars. Pau was an All star before, and Shaq is a 10+ time All Star. This is 2010. Pau is NOT an All Star and neither is Shaq. I'd take 38 year old Shaq any day over 30 year old Pau Gasol. Stern would be engraving the LOB right now if Kobe had Shaq again and the Lakers would be having 83 win Ecstasy.

Wow, just wow. No one in his right mind would rather have Shaq than Gasol right now. Swap Shaq with Gasol and the Cavs become the number one favourite while the Lakers would be happy to get out of the first round.

[Allanon]

Wow, just wow. No one in his right mind would rather have Shaq than Gasol right now. Swap Shaq with Gasol and the Cavs become the number one favourite while the Lakers would be happy to get out of the first round.

You keep calling him Gasol. He's Gasoft right now.

Shaq owned BOTH Pau and Bynum on Thursday.
Shaq has played 38 games
Pau has played 25 games

Give me Shaq any day.

[himat]

Hahah, you little .

Making excuses now for the King?

Typical Pistonfan is full of excuses as usual.

Hey pussy I personally like Kobe more than LeBron because Kobe, from what i've seen, is a much harder worker and LeBron has had all of his success mainly due to his natural ability.

I would love to say that LeBron has a better supporting cast, but Kobe manages to beat him anyways but thats just not true. You are a FOOL to believe the Cavaliers have a better supporting cast.

Just think about it. Its the L.A. freaking Lakers. You guys can pay up and get anyone you want. Cleveland, before LeBron was there, was a 15 win team. A joke.

Typical Pistons fan? Lakers fans are the epitome of bandwagoners who don't know what the they are talking about. And why would I make excuses for LeBron. I don't care about him or his team. I was glad when Orlando schooled him last year. But facts are facts and Kobe's teammates> LeBron's teammates.

[Allanon]

And why would I make excuses for LeBron. I don't care about him or his team. I was glad when Orlando schooled him last year. But facts are facts and Kobe's teammates> LeBron's teammates.

Facts are facts and you can't even change these simple arrows around without making excuses?

Shaq>Bynum
Verajao<Pau
Lebron>Artest
Parker<Kobe
Delonte>Fisher

Hey pussy I personally like Kobe more than LeBron because Kobe, from what i've seen, is a much harder worker and LeBron has had all of his success mainly due to his natural ability.

I would love to say that LeBron has a better supporting cast, but Kobe manages to beat him anyways but thats just not true. You are a FOOL to believe the Cavaliers have a better supporting cast.

Don't be an ignorant ass.

You are a FOOL to think the Cavs are a weak team. Swap teams for LeBron and Kobe and the Lakers would be #1 in the West an LeBron would be #1 in the East.

BOTH guys have enough of a team to win a championship...let's not pretend that LeBron is playing with Smush, Kwame and Luke.

[himat]

Why are you changing the subject? Fix this first so that Lebron has weaker players with him:

Shaq>Bynum
Verajao<Pau
Lebron>Artest
Parker<Kobe
Delonte>Fisher

By my count, that's 3 positions in favor of the Cavs.

Will you listen to me? It's not just he is better than him. How much better a player is matters too.

For instance, don't just say Shaq>Bynum and Pau>Verajao and make the score 1 to 1.

If you say: the Lakers big men vs. the Cavaliers big men its Bynum/Pau>Shaq/Verajao because Shaq>Bynum but Pau way >>>>> Verajao.

[Allanon]

Will you listen to me? It's not just he is better than him. How much better a player is matters too.

For instance, don't just say Shaq>Bynum and Pau>Verajao and make the score 1 to 1.

If you say: the Lakers big men vs. the Cavaliers big men its Bynum/Pau>Shaq/Verajao because Shaq>Bynum but Pau way >>>>> Verajao.

And you say you don't make excuses for the King?

Show me ANY other lineup where you need to make excuses like this.

Only the King gets the benefit of lineup excuses

[himat]

Facts are facts and you can't even change these simple arrows around?

Shaq>Bynum
Verajao<Pau
Lebron>Artest
Parker<Kobe
Delonte>Fisher



Don't be an ignorant ass.

You are a FOOL to think the Cavs are a weak team. Swap teams for LeBron and Kobe and the Lakers would be #1 in the West an LeBron would be #1 in the East.

BOTH guys have enough of a team to win a championship...let's not pretend that LeBron is playing with Smush, Kwame and Luke.

Yes both teams have enough to win a championship but Kobe has more. Maybe I exaggerated about Cleveland being at the bottom but they would barely make the playoffs. And the only reason they would is because the 7th and 8th seed in the Eastern Conference are both sub .500 teams.

I really hope L.A. makes Kobe rest just to see how well your team does w/o him. Yes they would lose more, but they would still be a solid team.

[himat]

And you say you don't make excuses for the King?

Show me ANY other lineup where you need to make excuses like this.

Only the King gets the benefit of lineup excuses

Let me reiterate how much I love seeing LeBron lose in the playoffs because the NBA wants him to win so bad. Saying LeBrons teammates are not as good as Kobe's is not an excuse. Its just the truth. That doesn't mean LeBron's teammates suck it just means that the Lakers players are just that good.

[Allanon]

Saying LeBrons teammates are not as good as Kobe's is not an excuse. Its just the truth. That doesn't mean LeBron's teammates suck it just means that the Lakers players are just that good.

It's just a myth that everybody is buying into without looking at it.

The Cavs supporting cast is just as good or better than any other team minus their main guy.

[Lars]

Its interesting how much his demeanor has changed in one year.

Last year with Houston he took a microphone in game six of the playoffs and asked the crowd to give a round of applause for Portland for playing thier butts off.

This year he is bad mouthing other teams? To me this speaks about the general at ude of certain clubs in the league.

[MateoNeygro]

If I were a GM and I could chose which teams lineup i'd want. I'd definently pick the Lakers any day of the week. Not saying the Cavs are bad but The Lakers are in stacked.

[MateoNeygro]

And I in hate the Lakers and the Cavs...

[DAF86]

It's just a myth that everybody is buying into without looking at it.

The Cavs supporting cast is just as good or better than any other team minus their main guy.

Everybody knows that the Lakers role players >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cavs role players. The journalists know it, the fans know it, the players know it (Artest on this article for example), the only person in the world that doesn't seem to get it is you.

[himat]

It's just a myth that everybody is buying into without looking at it.

The Cavs supporting cast is just as good or better than any other team minus their main guy.

Okay I'll admit that I exaggerated how much better the Lakers supporting cast is, but at the end of the day it is still slightly better.

I can't find the stats right now but LeBron averaged a lot of points, boards, assists, etc. against Orlando and managed to lose. Kobe just put in the usual points, assists, etc. he normally does and his team managed to almost sweep Orlando.

Yes the Cavs now have Shaq, but the guy is 38. At some point its going to catch up to him.

[Allanon]

Everybody knows that the Lakers role players >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cavs role players. The journalists know it, the fans know it, the players know it (Artest on this article for example), the only person in the world that doesn't seem to get it is you.

You hate Kobe.

I get it.

[MateoNeygro]

The Lakers players are waaay better, but to be fair. I bet if they asked if The Lakers were a Championship team without Ron, he'd say no way. That guy is a ing nutcase.