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    are you against late term abortion if the mother's life is in danger?
    The holy -grail of all questions regarding this I must add and one that has had me internally held at bay. I want to take a Christian approach to it but am not sure how it will be digested.

    It is along the lines of the sanc y of all that is God made, hence life. If we are to regain our equilibrium as a society, if we are to rescue our children from downward spiral of violence, then we must recover our founding ideals. We must resensitize ourselves to the dignity, integrity and sanc y of all that is life by upholding it at every opportunity and in every situation. All people matter. Does this answer the question? Probably not. What I can answer as a Christian is that life is a gift as is motherhood. Would I choose my wife or my unborn child? I would leave it in the Lord's hands. My wife and un-born child are "one". If the Lord wants them both, then that is his calling. I can't take it into my own hands as my faith teaches me for it would be the Lord's will. So the answer is ultimately Yes. I am against it. Being that I have not been put in that situation I can answer it now but would my faith be strong enough should this particular event take place? God give me the strength to let both of them go.

    I vote the Bible. That is how I am able to have dialogue regarding this topic.

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    I am not a proponent of abortion. I think at a certain point you could consider it murder I suppose. If a woman is 8 1/2 months pregnant and does something to kill the child that would be murder. if someone gets pregnant and aborts within the first 8 weeks to (whatever the viability of the fetus) is then it's not murder to me.
    His/her heart is beating. Fingers and toes are forming. Eyelids are almost covering. In his brain, nueral cells are branching out to connect to one another. Constantly moving.
    How is he/she not alive?

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    The holy -grail of all questions regarding this I must add and one that has had me internally held at bay. I want to take a Christian approach to it but am not sure how it will be digested.

    It is along the lines of the sanc y of all that is God made, hence life. If we are to regain our equilibrium as a society, if we are to rescue our children from downward spiral of violence, then we must recover our founding ideals. We must resensitize ourselves to the dignity, integrity and sanc y of all that is life by upholding it at every opportunity and in every situation. All people matter. Does this answer the question? Probably not. What I can answer as a Christian is that life is a gift as is motherhood. Would I choose my wife or my unborn child? I would leave it in the Lord's hands. My wife and un-born child are "one". If the Lord wants them both, then that is his calling. I can't take it into my own hands as my faith teaches me for it would be the Lord's will. So the answer is ultimately Yes. I am against it. Being that I have not been put in that situation I can answer it now but would my faith be strong enough should this particular event take place? God give me the strength to let both of them go.

    I vote the Bible. That is how I am able to have dialogue regarding this topic.


    I respect your point of view (no sarcasm intended) however not everyone has the bleifs like you do. I am not going to say you are wrong but I think if Christians decide that their way is best then you run into problems.

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    A disproportionate number of abortions are performed on non-white mothers. A majority, IIRC. And a majority of African-American pregnancies are terminated via abortion. So basically upper middle class whites want to continue to ensure that a good amount of non-white babies are culled every year. In the name of feminism or what not.

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    His/her heart is beating. Fingers and toes are forming. Eyelids are almost covering. In his brain, nueral cells are branching out to connect to one another. Constantly moving.
    How is him/her not alive?
    when does that occur in the pregancy?

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    A disproportionate number of abortions are performed on non-white mothers. A majority, IIRC. And a majority of African-American pregnancies are terminated via abortion. So basically upper middle class whites want to continue to ensure that a good amount of non-white babies are culled every year. In the name of feminism or what not.
    I kind of agree with this. We have people telling everyone else what to do with their lives and to me that's not right.

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    when does that occur in the pregancy?
    8 weeks

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    I respect your point of view (no sarcasm intended) however not everyone has the bleifs like you do. I am not going to say you are wrong but I think if Christians decide that their way is best then you run into problems.
    None taken and I respect your take. I am a Christian and have no religion if you want to call it that. Believing in the Bible is all free-will. Taking what the Bible teaches regarding life is all free-will.

    This is how I roll.

    Now, if you want to discuss Planned Parenthood I am all ears (and eyes)...

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    I would be ok with banning abortions after 8 weeks.

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    when does that occur in the pregancy?
    All that happens on the eighth week. The hands and legs are already forming from wk6.

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    I would be ok with banning abortions after 8 weeks.
    Would you say a baby is alive when their heart is pumping? Would banning abortion after the beginning of the heart beating be ok with you?

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    jack wants to force people to have kids when they can't support them emotionally or financially.... but don't make jack pany extra taxes to pay for these dead beat babies.. they should just get a job..
    Why do you keep saying things that are not true. Is this entertaining to you?(there is another problem with society if the answer is yes) Abortion is murder. People can spin it however they like but they are killing babies.

    It's legal to kill babies in America. Have at it.

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    Would you say a baby is alive when their heart is pumping? Would banning abortion after the beginning of the heart beating be ok with you?
    The timing will always be debated so I am ok with setting the 8 week standard.

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    Tragic.

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    Why do you keep saying things that are not true. Is this entertaining to you?(there is another problem with society if the answer is yes) Abortion is murder. People can spin it however they like but they are killing babies.

    It's legal to kill babies in America. Have at it.
    you don't care what happens to babies after they are born. just admit it jack.

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    So wait you are for welfare and medicare, which is what most of our taxes go to, but when it is used to stop the murder of innocent children-that is when you become a fiscal conservative? Also there is no historical data that taxes were lowered when abortion was legalized, so why would taxes go up?
    You're for the biggest form of welfare the government has ever provided, so get off your high horse here. I know, I know, the cons ution guaranteed massive subsidies to Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, and Halliburton that should dwarf all other federal spending.

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    you don't care what happens to babies after they are born. just admit it jack.

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    Now I am a conservative. Gotcha.

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    Why do you keep saying things that are not true. Is this entertaining to you?(there is another problem with society if the answer is yes) Abortion is murder. People can spin it however they like but they are killing babies.

    It's legal to kill babies in America. Have at it.
    If we're worried about state-sanctioned murder, how about picking out a given country, declaring it to be an enemy of the Republic, and then invading it with the greatest military force in the history of the world?

    Just saying.

    And yes, abortion is murder. Yet since the child happens to be inside of someone else, the legality is at issue. Do we deem a mother a murderer for a miscarriage? Do we not prosecute in those cir stances? On whom does the burden of proof fall?

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    You're for the biggest form of welfare the government has ever provided, so get off your high horse here. I know, I know, the cons ution guaranteed massive subsidies to Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, and Halliburton that should dwarf all other federal spending.
    I have no idea what you are talking about. Does it have something to do with abortion?

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    I have no idea what you are talking about. Does it have something to do with abortion?
    You're the one who brought welfare into the discussion, so don't act stupid now.

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    If we're worried about state-sanctioned murder, how about picking out a given country, declaring it to be an enemy of the Republic, and then invading it with the greatest military force in the history of the world?

    Just saying.

    And yes, abortion is murder. Yet since the child happens to be inside of someone else, the legality is at issue. Do we deem a mother a murderer for a miscarriage? Do we not prosecute in those cir stances? On whom does the burden of proof fall?
    First we should give them 12 un sanctions, and forbid them from creating a mini-Holocaust. When they don't do those we give them another final chance to let us see their world threatening WMDs.

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    You're the one who brought welfare into the discussion, so don't act stupid now.
    I really don't know what you are saying what I am for. I never once said I agreed with bail outs, treating a company like TBTF, or subsidies for that matter.

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    I am sure Mr. Carlin is enjoying his stay with

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    I am sure Mr. Carlin is enjoying his stay with
    How can an inanimate object in the ground enjoy anything?

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