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    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Senate on Tuesday is likely to vote on a proposal that would create a bipartisan commission charged with reining in the country's debt.

    The goal: Create a framework for forcing Congress to make some tough choices -- specifically tax increases and spending cuts.

    In a surprise move Saturday, President Obama issued his support for the fiscal commission proposal, which was introduced as an amendment to legislation that would raise the country's legal debt limit by $1.9 trillion.

    While the amendment now has 34 co-sponsors from both sides of the aisle, Obama's 11th hour support may not be enough to ensure the amendment's passage. Some top Democrats have been adamantly opposed to it, as have a large number of Republicans.

    It's been a controversial proposal because the 18-member commission would have the force of law, meaning that Congress would be obligated to consider the commission's recommendations and vote for or against them -- no amendments, no filibusters. And they'd have to do so before 2010 is done.

    It's not clear when the Senate will vote on the debt limit increase itself. Republicans are likely to vote against it; some Democratic votes are in question too. They don't want to vote for a debt-ceiling increase unless there is a clear signal that there will be a plan to address long-term shortfalls in the federal budget.

    Those shortfalls are due in large measure to unsustainable growth in en lement programs such as Medicare, as well as in interest due on the nation's debt.

    The fiscal commission amendment was initially co-sponsored by Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-ND, and Sen. Judd Gregg, R-NH, the committee's top-ranking Republican.

    Should it fail, it's possible its supporters will reconsider a fiscal commission that Obama has been considering establishing by executive order.

    But it's a weak subs ute, because such a commission would not have the force of law -- lawmakers would have no obligation to even read the commission's recommendations let alone vote on them. Some Republicans have already signaled they would consider such a commission toothless and partisan.

    Nevertheless, Obama is likely to mention his commitment to have a commission of one kind or another to help lawmakers address the growing deficits facing the country for decades to come in his State of the Union address on Wednesday evening.

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    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Senate on Tuesday is likely to vote on a proposal that would create a bipartisan commission charged with reining in the country's debt.

    The goal: Create a framework for forcing Congress to make some tough choices -- specifically tax increases and spending cuts.

    In a surprise move Saturday, President Obama issued his support for the fiscal commission proposal, which was introduced as an amendment to legislation that would raise the country's legal debt limit by $1.9 trillion.

    While the amendment now has 34 co-sponsors from both sides of the aisle, Obama's 11th hour support may not be enough to ensure the amendment's passage. Some top Democrats have been adamantly opposed to it, as have a large number of Republicans.

    It's been a controversial proposal because the 18-member commission would have the force of law, meaning that Congress would be obligated to consider the commission's recommendations and vote for or against them -- no amendments, no filibusters. And they'd have to do so before 2010 is done.

    It's not clear when the Senate will vote on the debt limit increase itself. Republicans are likely to vote against it; some Democratic votes are in question too. They don't want to vote for a debt-ceiling increase unless there is a clear signal that there will be a plan to address long-term shortfalls in the federal budget.

    Those shortfalls are due in large measure to unsustainable growth in en lement programs such as Medicare, as well as in interest due on the nation's debt.

    The fiscal commission amendment was initially co-sponsored by Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-ND, and Sen. Judd Gregg, R-NH, the committee's top-ranking Republican.

    Should it fail, it's possible its supporters will reconsider a fiscal commission that Obama has been considering establishing by executive order.

    But it's a weak subs ute, because such a commission would not have the force of law -- lawmakers would have no obligation to even read the commission's recommendations let alone vote on them. Some Republicans have already signaled they would consider such a commission toothless and partisan.

    Nevertheless, Obama is likely to mention his commitment to have a commission of one kind or another to help lawmakers address the growing deficits facing the country for decades to come in his State of the Union address on Wednesday evening.

    http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/25/news...sion/index.htm
    I am for anything that both sides of the aisle are against.

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    I am for anything that both sides of the aisle are against.
    Are you for 9/11?

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    silly dog and pony show.

    Spend any energy, even more debt, getting the economy moving, which will get taxes at all levels flowing in at all levels of govt to pay down debt.

    the Repugs on the commission will say, as sure as they are destructive, nihilist govt-hating obstructionists, that SocSec and Medicare/Medicaid must be cut dramatically (but don't you dare touch the continuous wars nor the flagrantly fraudulently defense budget/MIC welfare).

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    I'm in favor of this. Probably won't happen. But it would be good if it would.

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    i'm in favor of this. Probably won't happen. But it would be good if it would.
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    "tough choices -- specifically tax increases and spending cuts."

    The Repugs will block ANY tax increase, except increasing SocSec (like St Ronnie did) while cutting taxes for the the wealthy.

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    Reminiscent of the Base Closure Commission. Congress sets up a commission to punt on the hard choices which members of Congress claim that they know how to make during their campaigns.

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    My pessimistic side is telling me not to jump up and down in joy. They will find a way to state that debt is good.

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    Of course politicians are in favor of debt. More spending without increasing taxes. They may not be caught saying it, but the current national debt and budget deficit are testaments to their predilection.

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    What are we...12 TRILLION in debt?

    Little late to be talking about curtailing spending. This is now multi-generational debt.

    "But, we can start, and stop it from growing even more."

    They can't even cut funding to miniscule expenditures like NPR. , I'm not sure if govt. expenditures have ever actually went down in my lifetime.

    "yeah, that's right...and that's why we need somebody to stop us."

    ...and so it goes.

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    "cut funding to miniscule expenditures like NPR"

    the Pentagon wastes more in one month (and they don't even account for it) that NPR costs all year.

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    Where were all these Faux-Conservatives while Dubya ran the debt up from $5 trillion to over $10 trillion is what I want to know? It's crazy to think paying off debt during a recession will pull the country out of a recession....just not gonna happen...

    ....Dubya should have payed off some of the debt during his run, but he didn't, and the GOP cheered on years of economic growth backed by govt. jobs and even greater debt...now we are in a recession and these same money concious conservatives want a Democratic administration to pay off debt - dumbasses...

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    Where were all these Faux-Conservatives while Dubya ran the debt up from $5 trillion to over $10 trillion is what I want to know? It's crazy to think paying off debt during a recession will pull the country out of a recession....just not gonna happen...

    ....Dubya should have payed off some of the debt during his run, but he didn't, and the GOP cheered on years of economic growth backed by govt. jobs and even greater debt...now we are in a recession and these same money concious conservatives want a Democratic administration to pay off debt - dumbasses...

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    I think a big group of the tea partiers were upset at the spending, regardless of who was president.

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    Pfff.....(projected).....now lets look at history..


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    I think a big group of the tea partiers were upset at the spending, regardless of who was president.
    You had 8 years to make a difference, and you blew them...

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    Pfff.....(projected).....


    Obama is the one making those projections you moron.

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    You had 8 years to make a difference, and you blew them...
    So that's an excuse for Obama to give us the most fiscally irresponsible administration in history?

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    Obama is the one making those projections you moron.
    So Obama is an economists now?

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    So that's an excuse for Obama to give us the most fiscally irresponsible administration in history?
    That was the Bush Administration.....the Obama administration is strapped with high debt and high unemployment because the Bush administration squandered trillions of dollars on a needless war and the Bush tax cuts did little to generate private job growth...

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    So Obama is an economists now?
    He's the guy in the white house, so if a set of economic projections come out under the le "white house estimate" then he's responsible for it.

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    That was the Bush Administration.....the Obama administration is strapped with high debt and high unemployment because the Bush administration squandered trillions of dollars on a needless war and the Bush tax cuts did little to generate private job growth...
    Fail. Obama racked up more debt in his first year than Bush did in his first term. In four years he'll rack up more debt than Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush did in 28. This is not a debatable issue.

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