Jefferson only strength is his outragious contract.
This is what you do! Get in touch with Pop, let him know Jefferson is a SF not Pf an run a load of plays for him since we've paid so much for him. We couldve went an got someone from the D-league to find a spot up shooter for millions less! That's what you do.
WTF??? isn't it about ??? stop with the Manu Vs Tony crap.... both suck lately.
I like how RJ's post game we heard so much about, is demanding the ball - backing down opponent 2 feet - and settling for a 10 ft. fade-away.
Bruno, I'm coming in really late to this thread :P, I think the major point you're missing in the Jefferson vs. Manu argument is that Manu has at least been putting forth the effort. Hes been laying out on plays, driving the lane, finding passing lanes and just being active. I completely agree that he has been a dissapointment this season, particularly on the defensive end, but its clearly not due to lack of effort. While RJ seems to contribute nothing when hes not scoring, he shows almost no effort and he does not try on defense.
Ill take a struggling Manu who is trying over a struggling Jefferson who is complacent any day.
...just my two cents.
No - this is completely wrong. I'm not sure which level headed Spurs fan thought we'd ever see 2005 Manu again and I'd venture to say this is exactly what anyone who knew anything expected out of him.
If you expected more then you were delusional.
I'm not making any decisions concerning "who's been more of a disappointment", but I'm with Bruno on Manu's predicted potential being at a near all-star level again. That's what we were expecting from him last season before he officially broke. And, if the consensus truly is that he has fallen to role player status, then trading him while his expiring is most valuable is the move to make.
this is right on spot.
If we had Jefferson not being a total asshat disappointment, Manu's slowing production (scoring wise especially) wouldnt be that big of a deal.
Manu as the 4th option is more than good enough, adding in his improved passing skills this year and we would be fine.
being totally useless is probably reason A that we are as bad as we are this year.
RJ looks a little heavy. I think he needs to shed 15 to 20 pounds so he can be what he once was... 20 less pounds on him would go a long way I believe...
Could be.RJ looks a little heavy. I think he needs to shed 15 to 20 pounds so he can be what he once was... 20 less pounds on him would go a long way I believe...
Spurs spend 20 millions for Jefferson and papa McDyess,
and the problem is Ginobili.
This is just so wonderful.
Regarding TP the most positive thing is the decrease of TOs, the limitation of his FGAs and I think his passing is better.
Now Pop is stupid by playing him huge minutes in the first half when the guy is struggling physically !
2008 Ginobili (before his injuries) was damn great, it was a little different than 2005 Ginobili but it was as good if not better. Manu was on the 3rd all-NBA team that year.
I was expecting that Manu was finally 100% healthy this year and that he would be back at a level quite close to his 2008 one. When you compare both, 2008 Ginobili was an hungry lion and the 2010 is a sweet kitty. Manu is doing some cute things this year (like his assists) but he is nowhere near the level he had before his injuries 18 months ago.
You can call me delusional but it was what I expected from Manu and I'm very disappointed right now by how little he brings to the team.
No way RJ was suppose to be a 20 ppg scorer as the 4'th option on the spurs. RJ is athletic but he is not the type of player that can create his own shots out of set defenses. He needs to run in the open court. Too bad the spurs don't like to get out and run and use his athleticism.
He was a bad fit for the type of offense the spurs run and he is not a good defensive player, never was.
Got the sandy vagina problem again, eh?
Manu is no where near all star level. Never really was. He has had some nice runs from time to time but too inconsistent to be considered an all star. One gift all star appearance when others who did not make the team that year had better stats and never again to an all star team.
He doesn't get all star minutes and doesn't put up all star stats. This board has overrated him.
Jefferson has been so bad this year, i am shocked at how little an impact he has made.. This in guy is making 14 mil this year, and he just is lousy..
It's just a shame that we've needed, specifically, an athletic Small Forward for years and years, and now that we have one he's not being used effectively and/or he's not able to play himself into a defined role in our system. I mean, it's not like Jefferson plays bad games entirely - he's made some athletic plays on help-D and just 13 days ago he hit the game winning shot against a team that's had our number recently - he's just not versatile enough to be more than a scorer. Half the reason Pop targeted Jefferson was BECAUSE he has a decent jumper (40% from beyond last season, 80% from the stripe), and when we acquired him we also heard Pop mention the option of posting RJ up. Unfortunately that option has vanished quickly, and RJ has become mostly a catch-and-shoot kind of player with not many (if any) plays run for him. Not to mention, he comes here and probably plays more minutes as a Power Forward than he has in the last few seasons combined - that's asking for trouble, considering he's brand new to our system. Jefferson is not a Gerald Wallace or a Shawn Marion, I'd say give him more minutes at the 2 than the 4 - give us the advantage for once. Playing with size for 48 minutes of a game, that's not even Spurs basketball anymore.
Manu hasn't played real bball since 2008 give him some time, to me its still to early to judge him. I think be back to the efficient(at least shooting wise) manu we know and love by the end of the season.
Made a little jpeg to express my feelings towards Jefferson.
Couldn't upload the pic into my post (for whatever reasons), so i put it in my sig. (hint: it's not the Timmy-gif)
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