Nets May Have Pieces To Get Stoudemire

[DPG21920]

Amare improve rebounding and interior defense?

Yi: 33 MPG, 7 REB, 1 BLK

Amare: 34 MPG, 8.5 REB, 1 BLK


It would be stupid for the Nets to give up any picks to get Amare. Getting someone who has an injury history, does not play defense and only helps you possibly nab an 8th seed IF healthy is not worth giving anything up for. Especially with the way Yi has played as of late.

[baseline bum]

Let me show my work:

1. Devin Harris: $8.981M
2. Kenyon Dooling: $3.828M
3. Kris Humphries: $3.20M
4. Yi Jianlian: $4.0505M
5. Brook Lopez: $2.413M
6. Terrence Williams: $2.214M
7. Courtney Lee: $1.352M
8. John Wall: $4.2869M rookie scale (though it can be negotiated up to $5.144M)
9. LeBron James: 105% of $15.78M = $16.57M
10. Amare Stoudemire: 105% of $16.38M = $17.2M
11. 1 (minimum) roster spot under 11: $0.473604M

TOTAL: $64.57 million

That's assuming they don't re-sign CDR for a lousy $854K, which they'd be insane not to do (especially since it'd only save them less than $400K in capsapce)

[baseline bum]

Yi's about $3 million, they'll have to include $10 million or so to get Amare in trade.

$26 million
-$13 million

Wrong. No way Phoenix takes bad contracts off their hands when they can just get expirings like Tony Battie, Trenton Hassell, and Rafer Alston to make the numbers work.

[Allanon]

Let me show my work:

1. Devin Harris: $8.981M
2. Kenyon Dooling: $3.828M
3. Kris Humphries: $3.20M
4. Yi Jianlian: $4.0505M
5. Brook Lopez: $2.413M
6. Terrence Williams: $2.214M
7. Courtney Lee: $1.352M
8. John Wall: $4.2869M rookie scale (though it can be negotiated up to $5.144M)
9. LeBron James: 105% of $15.78M = $16.57M
10. Amare Stoudemire: 105% of $16.38M = $17.2M
11. 1 (minimum) roster spot under 11: $0.473604M

TOTAL: $64.57 million

That's assuming they don't re-sign CDR for a lousy $854K, which they'd be insane not to do (especially since it'd only save them less than $400K in capsapce)

It's up to the Suns and what they want back. Yes, it would be crazy for the Suns to take back trash + picks but I've heard worse

I have no idea what $arver's up to but he sent Joe Johnson off for Boris Diaw and picks because he didn't want to pay the money.

[Allanon]

Wrong. No way Phoenix takes bad contracts off their hands when they can just get expirings like Tony Battie, Trenton Hassell, and Rafer Alston to make the numbers work.

You say WRONG as if you know what's going on in their minds.

How can ANYBODY be WRONG in a hypothetical thread?

I admit, I have no idea what $arver's thinking, but he's done worse.

[21_Blessings]

Let me show my work:

1. Devin Harris: $8.981M
2. Kenyon Dooling: $3.828M
3. Kris Humphries: $3.20M
4. Yi Jianlian: $4.0505M
5. Brook Lopez: $2.413M
6. Terrence Williams: $2.214M
7. Courtney Lee: $1.352M
8. John Wall: $4.2869M rookie scale (though it can be negotiated up to $5.144M)
9. LeBron James: 105% of $15.78M = $16.57M
10. Amare Stoudemire: 105% of $16.38M = $17.2M
11. 1 (minimum) roster spot under 11: $0.473604M

TOTAL: $64.57 million

That's assuming they don't re-sign CDR for a lousy $854K, which they'd be insane not to do (especially since it'd only save them less than $400K in capsapce)

Trade Harris for expirings or in a sign and trade. Problem solved. You won't need him with Lebron or Wall there anyways.

[baseline bum]

You say WRONG as if you know what's going on in their minds. How can ANYBODY be WRONG in a hypothetical thread?

I admit, I have no idea what $arver's thinking, but he's done worse.

You can be wrong by dreaming up a scenario that has no logical chance of ever happening.

[Allanon]

You can be wrong by dreaming up a scenario that has no logical chance of ever happening.

It's all hypothetical.

I have no reason to say you are wrong. You have no reason to say I'm wrong.

We can leave it that unless you want to make more out of this than is necessary.

Is this hypothetical crap nobody can prove really worth arguing over?

[baseline bum]

Trade Harris for expirings or in a sign and trade. Problem solved. You won't need him with Lebron or Wall there anyways.

I'm sure they'd strongly consider that if there was no lottery and they knew they were getting the #1. However, since they'll have a 75% shot of missing the #1 pick, no way they give Harris away for expirings.

[21_Blessings]

I'm sure they'd strongly consider that if there was no lottery and they knew they were getting the #1. However, since they'll have a 75% shot of missing the #1 pick, no way they give Harris away for expirings.

If they can get back a cheaper PG and a draft pick they would do it. Harris is owed a -load of money and he's shooting 38% while playing like he doesn't give a . His contract doesn't help the rebuilding process.

You don't need a point guard with Lebron, anyways. Just one that can knock down the three-ball which is something Harris can't do.

[baseline bum]

It's all hypothetical.

I have no reason to say you are wrong. You have no reason to say I'm wrong.

We can leave it that unless you want to make more out of this than is necessary.

Is this hypothetical crap nobody can prove really worth arguing over?

It's like a Denver fan coming in and saying his team can win a le because an earthquake could hit LA and kill Kobe.

[Allanon]

It's like a Denver fan coming in and saying his team can win a le because an earthquake could hit LA and kill Kobe.

It's like saying $arver would never be stupid enough to give up Joe Johnson for Boris Diaw to $ave money.

[baseline bum]

It's like saying $arver would never be stupid enough to give up Joe Johnson for Boris Diaw to $ave money.

There were logical reasons why he didn't re-sign Joe Johnson
1) Johnson got an enormous offer from Atlanta at a stage of his career where he never proved he was worth that money. It was a of a gamble that paid off for Atlanta.
2) Sarver owed huge money to Shawn Marion, Amare Stoudemire, and Steve Nash, and thought he couldn't afford a fourth superstar contract.
3) Joe Johnson wanted out because he wanted to be a #1 option.

Basketball-wise, it was a bad decision, but there was still a compelling case why Sarver would do it. There's no reason he'd take Kenyon Dooling's and Kris Humphries' deals when he could just get that production from minimum players.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

can spurs work a three way trade that sends jefferson to the nets for free?

No they can't. No one wants the scrubs you guys think are good.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It's like saying $arver would never be stupid enough to give up Joe Johnson for Boris Diaw to $ave money.

Yeah cause that Diaw trade saved them tons of money :

[Allanon]

There were logical reasons why he didn't re-sign Joe Johnson
1) Johnson got an enormous offer from Atlanta at a stage of his career where he never proved he was worth that money. It was a of a gamble that paid off for Atlanta.
2) Sarver owed huge money to Shawn Marion, Amare Stoudemire, and Steve Nash, and thought he couldn't afford a fourth superstar contract.
3) Joe Johnson wanted out.

Basketball-wise, it was a bad decision, but there was still a compelling case why Sarver would do it. There's no reason he'd take Kenyon Dooling's and Kris Humphries' deals when he could just get that production from minimum players.

What gamble? Joe Johnson was averaging 17 points and 5 rebounds for 2 seasons in a row. A $12 million/year contract is perfectly normal for a player like that. That's no outrageous salary.

$arver just didn't want to pay the money. There's a reason why Suns fans call him $arver.

[Allanon]

Yeah cause that Diaw trade saved them tons of money :

Didn't he?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

What gamble? Joe Johnson was averaging 17 points and 5 rebounds for 2 seasons in a row. A $12 million/year contract is perfectly normal for a player like that. That's no outrageous salary.

$arver just didn't want to pay the money. There's a reason why Suns fans call him $arver.

Sarver has ed plenty of up but Joe Johnson wasn't one of them. That was all Brian Colangelo.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Didn't he?

Not really. I agree it was a bad trade, but that J-Rich contract is worse than either Bell's or Diaw's.

[Allanon]

Not really. I agree it was a bad trade, but that J-Rich contract is worse than either Bell's or Diaw's.

How is it not really?

Diaw was traded at $3 million. Joe Johnson $12 million on the new contract.

$9 million instant $avings.

[baseline bum]

What gamble? Joe Johnson was averaging 17 points and 5 rebounds for 2 seasons in a row. A $12 million/year contract is perfectly normal for a player like that. That's no outrageous salary.

$arver just didn't want to pay the money. There's a reason why Suns fans call him $arver.

It was a gamble for Atlanta because there was reason to think his numbers were a product of the system, like Channing Frye's are now. Besides, reasons 2 and 3 that I listed are still compelling reasons for him to let Johnson go. This analogy you're bringing doesn't fit well.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

How is it not really?

Diaw was traded at $3 million. Joe Johnson $12 million on the new contract.

$9 million instant $avings.

OOOOOO, I thought you were referring to trading Diaw for J-Rich. Yeah, that was obviously a money saver.

If you wanna talk about that though, it was not done to save money. It wound up saving money, but leading up to that situation they traded Jake Voskul for nothing because they were preparing to match Atlanta's offer. They chose to negotiate a sign and trade once JJ publicly said he hopes they don't match the offer.

[Allanon]

It was a gamble for Atlanta because there was reason to think his numbers were a product of the system, like Channing Frye's are now. Besides, reasons 2 and 3 that I listed are still compelling reasons for him to let Johnson go. This analogy you're bringing doesn't fit well.

Reason #2 is still financially motivated...what I am saying about $arver

Reason #3, Johnson was pissed the Suns wouldn't pay him after two breakout seasons and said get me out. He originally wanted to get re-signed in Phoenix but gave up after they couldn't come to terms on money.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It's like saying $arver would never be stupid enough to give up Joe Johnson for Boris Diaw to $ave money.

For some reason I saw Joe Johnson for Boris Diaw and thought it said Joe Johnson or Boris Diaw. Long day.

[baseline bum]

Reason #2 is still financially motivated...what I am saying about $arver

Reason #3, Johnson was pissed the Suns wouldn't pay him after two breakout seasons and said get me out. He originally wanted to get re-signed in Phoenix but gave up after they couldn't come to terms on money.

So because Sarver was so cheap as to let an All-star go, he would rather pay more for an extra year past 2010 for two scrubs from New Jersey instead of wanting their expiring scrubs instead? I'm not following your logic at all here.