Nets May Have Pieces To Get Stoudemire

[Allanon]

For some reason I saw Joe Johnson for Boris Diaw and thought it said Joe Johnson or Boris Diaw. Long day.

All good.

This argument is stupid anyways.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

All good.

This argument is stupid anyways.

[Allanon]

So because Sarver was so cheap as to let an All-star go, he would rather pay more for an extra year past 2010 for two scrubs from New Jersey instead of wanting their expiring scrubs instead? I'm not following your logic at all here.

Yi and Lee are fair priced scrubs. I'd take them at their tiny ass contracts.

You know, whatever, you're right and I'm wrong. This argument is seriously a waste of time.

WTF am I doing wasting time on this hypothetical?

You win. I'm done.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Also regarding Amare, I'd feel bad for Yi if they trade Amare for a package involving him. When the Suns still suck at defense, still suck in general and need to find a new scapegoat to blame it all on since Amare is gone, it'll be Yi. Bad perimeter defense = big man's fault in the eyes of Phoenix fans.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Have you seen Yi play defense? He is extremely soft. He gets pushed around by Point Guards for rebounds.

Thanks for completely missing my point. Fortunately if the Suns get Courtney Lee they'll become a 70 win team.

[baseline bum]

Yi and Lee are fair priced scrubs. I'd take them at their tiny ass contracts.

You know, whatever, you're right and I'm wrong. This argument is seriously a waste of time.

WTF am I doing wasting time on this hypothetical?

You win. I'm done.

That's only $5.3 million, and still puts them over this year's cap. Assuming every forecast about the cap is true and it doesn't rise, then you're still >$1M over even if John Wall doesn't negotiate for the extra 20% on his rookie-scale base. I don't think it's much of a stretch to believe the cap doesn't increase either, based of it dropping $1M for 2009-10 and the fact that overall attendance is down even further this season.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I got your point. He is the whipping boy in NJ right now and rightfully so. He sucks at perimeter defense, post defense, rebounds, and blocks. He is absolutely atrocious in every aspect of defense.

My point had nothing to do with Yi himself.

[da_suns_fan]

You can HAVE him. Amare is a S of his former self. The explosiveness is GONE.

No way in i want the Suns spending crazy money on this guy. Ive seen everything he's capable of. He cant carry a team on his shoulders, thus hes not worth anywhere near max money.

What deal would I want? ANY deal that didnt have a bad contract coming back.

If the Suns could CUT Stoudemire and Richardson, they probably would. They dont provide anywhere NEAR what their salaries are. At least cap space would allow them to pursue a Bosh or whoever in the off-season.

[himat]

The only way this would be smart was if they knew they were getting John Wall so they trade Devin Harris for Stoudemire.

I can't see the Nets keeping Devin if they get Wall.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You can HAVE him. Amare is a S of his former self. The explosiveness is GONE.

No way in i want the Suns spending crazy money on this guy. Ive seen everything he's capable of. He cant carry a team on his shoulders, thus hes not worth anywhere near max money.

If Amare deserves to be traded then so do Nash and Hill.

[da_suns_fan]

There were logical reasons why he didn't re-sign Joe Johnson
1) Johnson got an enormous offer from Atlanta at a stage of his career where he never proved he was worth that money. It was a of a gamble that paid off for Atlanta.
2) Sarver owed huge money to Shawn Marion, Amare Stoudemire, and Steve Nash, and thought he couldn't afford a fourth superstar contract.
3) Joe Johnson wanted out because he wanted to be a #1 option.

Basketball-wise, it was a bad decision, but there was still a compelling case why Sarver would do it. There's no reason he'd take Kenyon Dooling's and Kris Humphries' deals when he could just get that production from minimum players.

Um...wrong on all accounts.

1) Joe Johnson had already proven he was a stud. Cleveland and others were openly saying that if he wasnt restricted, he would be the number one target in the FA market (everyone believed the Suns would match because they said they would match ANY OFFER because they knew how freaking good he was...but they were bluffing).

2) The Suns paid Diaw and Marcus Banks what JJ was asking for. Their payroll got even bigger when Shaq came on board. Sarver lowballed JJ and the fallout was bad. The Suns are paying Richardson what JJ was asking for and they still have Shaqs contract on the books (yeah..Kerr is THAT bad).

3) Joe never said he wanted to be the man or anything like that. He wanted one thing: to get PAID. You will not be able to produce a quote from JJ saying that he wanted to be the first option etc., but i can find several where he states he couldnt get the contract in Phoenix that he got in Atlanta. Joe's departure was STRICTLY business. The "Joe wanted to be the man" was a silly hate campaign the Suns brass started when they realized Joe was gonna sign with Atlanta and they didnt want to match.

[redzero]

Stoudemire + scrubs for Timmy D. It makes sense for both teams. And by both teams, I obviously mean Phoenix.

[Xylus]

I'd trade Stoudemire and one of my kidneys for Tim Duncan.

[Xylus]

Amare improve rebounding and interior defense?

Yi: 33 MPG, 7 REB, 1 BLK

Amare: 34 MPG, 8.5 REB, 1 BLK


It would be stupid for the Nets to give up any picks to get Amare. Getting someone who has an injury history, does not play defense and only helps you possibly nab an 8th seed IF healthy is not worth giving anything up for. Especially with the way Yi has played as of late.

Do you really think Amare isn't an upgrade in that department over Bounty soft Yi?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Do you really think Amare isn't an upgrade in that department over Bounty soft Yi?

DPG is on the Findog & DSF boat that trading Amare is addition by subtraction.

[Xylus]

Yi will fit the Warriors or Suns. He is a huge pussy and excels with his jumpshot and 3.

So basically we'd have Channing Frye x 2.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Yi will fit the Warriors or Suns. He is a huge pussy and excels with his jumpshot and 3.

If his team draws up a game winning layup for him, can they count on him making it?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

And everyone would take Lee over Goran Dragic anyday of the week, outside of you.

no they wouldn't. Courtney Lee is averaging 11 points on a 3 win team.

[Xylus]

I would take Dragic over Lee any day of the week. Without hesitation. Kid's going to be a star someday.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

And he also started on a NBA Finals team last year.

So did Devon George in 2004.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

While he was a Rookie?

Wtf does that have to do with anything? Making the finals isn't an individual accomplishment it's team accomplishment.

[redzero]

And he would have made it, too, if it wasn't for that pesky Pau Gasoft screwing with the rim.

[rascal]

you mean Richard Jefferson. I think Nets would take him back for free if they could, also I think Net fans would love to have Jefferson back if that's the one you mean. Jefferson unlike Kidd was loyal to the Nets

Jefferson will go to the Nets and put up all star stats.

[Xylus]

Wtf does that have to do with anything? Making the finals isn't an individual accomplishment it's team accomplishment.

I think his point is that Courtney Lee is the reason they got there in the first place.