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    Branded correctly, almost anything can be sold. Conservative, liberal, progressive, whatever, is the just wrapping the present comes in.

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    Branded correctly, almost anything can be sold. Conservative, liberal, progressive, whatever, is the just wrapping the present comes in.
    Liberalism has been bas ized by both "sides" of American politics.

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    Apparently not to its benefit, either way.

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    What's wrong with my "crankyness" you whippersnapper?
    I've been called much worse than a 'whippersnapper', but don't make it a 'young whippersnapper'...afraid I haven't qualified for that in some time.

    And of course you are right about it occurring on both sides.

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    LOL

    I find all of this brilliant in its obscurity and vacantness (is that a world?) Reminds me of a freshman philosophy class I couldn't quit giggling in. People prosetylizing about prosetylizing. Labeling classes of thought just so they can then decry the labeling of classes of thought. Finding truth and beleif in meaningless obscurities that they then classify and add syllables too, just because it sounds so much better and covers the fact they have no ing idea what they're talking about.

    Excessive Nomenclature is the tool of idiots and tyrants. The former to make him/herself seem less so...the latter to appeal to the former.

    And then there's the guy in the front with the giggles...

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    I shall fling poop whilst pondering syntax! Brilliant!

    *Atlas Giggles*

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    Branded correctly, almost anything can be sold. Conservative, liberal, progressive, whatever, is the just wrapping the present comes in.
    That reminds me of an old commercial where you see some guy filling up a glass bottle from a stream while talking about his future business plan, to which his friend replies "Don't be stupid: no one's ever going to pay for water!"

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    (is that a world?)
    You have to ask?

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    I shall fling poop whilst pondering syntax! Brilliant!

    *Atlas Giggles*
    Flinging poop at syntax would be a more appropriate poop fling.

    All the best Gods had senses of humor.

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    Anyways, LOL.

    I find criticism of my political beliefs to be amusing, because I can barely articulate them myself. If I am obtuse, I can't but help giggle at the one who seeks to interpret and critique my obtuseness. Hah, I am brilliant!

    And on it goes.

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    Anyways, LOL.

    I find criticism of my political beliefs to be amusing, because I can barely articulate them myself. If I am obtuse, I can't but help giggle at the one who seeks to interpret and critique my obtuseness. Hah, I am brilliant!

    And on it goes.
    There you go!

    I once had a professor say almost the exact same thing to me. "I sometimes don't know what I'm talking about, but it's that realization and the resulting journey that eventually leads to discovery."

    ...or something like that.

    We were both pretty stoned at the time.

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    This reminds me of the time I got stoned with a professor. Before he left a $20 on my nightstand, he said to me "I forgot what we were talking about we hit the sack, but the journey is what is most important."

    or something like that.

    That's the last time I got stoned.

    And on it goes.

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    This reminds me of the time I got stoned with a professor. Before he left a $20 on my nightstand, he said to me "I forgot what we were talking about we hit the sack, but the journey is what is most important."

    or something like that.

    That's the last time I got stoned.

    And on it goes.


    WTF? Dude.

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    You'd probably be assa12121324343ssina5353ted by the system if you were the real deal. Still, I'd make that one of a ride if I became Pre53252side564564nt.

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    "Have to check the film" PixelPusher's Avatar
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    To be fair, there's plenty of lifestyle politics played by the other side.

    Still, "conservatives" should be above this.
    No true Scotsman would, that's for sure...

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    Yeah, I guess. It's easier to fight a monolithic enemy.

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    "Have to check the film" PixelPusher's Avatar
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    Yeah, I guess. It's easier to fight a monolithic enemy.
    That, or you can stop giving a about labels and just be yourself.

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    Of course, words have meaning. Or have they all been deconstructed?

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    Of course, words have meaning. Or have they all been deconstructed?
    Words can have extra meanings. Or different meanings over time. A " got" used to be commonly understood as a wooden stick suitable for kindling.

    Sorry Plato, but there isn't a perfect Form of the word "Conservative", just rough identifiers that have always, and will always owe more to culture than ideology.

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    Then it's settled.

    It isn't.

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    Sorry Plato, but there isn't a perfect Form of the word "Conservative", just rough identifiers that have always, and will always owe more to culture than ideology.
    The terms have determinate meanings historically speaking. By no means is that dispositive for usage, though. America has certain distinctive lifeways and customs that all true conservatives seek to maintain, each in his/her own humble way. At least say what they are. For me it's the pre WWII, pre-New Deal republic. I wish we could have that back. The yearning for an actual, historical status quo ante.

    Just make people rough it out. Conservatives should be able to articulate what they are conserving, and why it's important to conserve.

    "Liberals", as commonly understood I don't know. Just like the soi disant conservatives, you have to take them one by one. When you interrogate them, most of the time they can't even tell you why they are conservative/liberal, or why anyone else should think it important, apart from the usual glittering generalities about liberty and freedom for everybody.

    That may not be a fault, I guess.
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    The terms have determinate meanings historically speaking. By no means is that dispositive for usage, though. America has certain distinctive lifeways and customs that all true conservatives seek to maintain, each in his/her own humble way. At least say what they are. For me it's the pre WWII, pre-New Deal republic. I wish we could have that back. The yearning for an actual, historical status quo ante.

    Just make people rough it out. Conservatives should be able to articulate what they are conserving, and why it's important to conserve.
    Ah, yes...the good ol' days.

    "Liberals", as commonly understood I don't know. Just like the soi disant conservatives, you have to take them one by one. When you interrogate them, most of the time they can't even tell you why they are conservative/liberal, or why anyone else should think it important, apart from the usual glittering generalities about liberty and freedom for everybody.

    That may not be a fault, I guess.
    Some Liberals, particularly Baby Boomers, are guilty of a little selective 50's nostalgia themselves (strong labor unions, pensions, ascendant blue collar middle class, etc.), but in general...no, we don't pine away for some past version of the America.

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    I can understand that and have no objection to that.

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    Cheers, PixelPusher. Let's drink together sometime.

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