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If this happens, I expect Gilbert Arenas to take out a water gun and fill it up with his juices and spray it at David Stern.
So, it really looks like there will be a lockout in 2011. My question to y'all hoop junkies is, how will that affect your at ude towards the NBA? Will you carry on as normal? Will you give up on the NBA and start following college hoops instead? Slam Ball? Lacrosse? Or will you make voodoo dolls of the owners and players and Billy Hunter and stick sharp objects in their genitalia? What?
If this happens, I expect Gilbert Arenas to take out a water gun and fill it up with his juices and spray it at David Stern.
Don't blame David though, CBA negotiations are all about Billy Hunter and the owners.
Personally, I can see an easy compromise:
* the players give up the guaranteed 5-6 year contracts they can currently sign and agree to max 2 or 3 year guaranteed deals, with 4/5/6th year guaranteed if agreed performance indicators are met during preceding years;
* the owners agree to keep the player's share of total revenue somewhere between 55-58%;
* maximum salaries decline.
But it is going to be a lot bloodier than that, methinks. The owners want to make money to redeem their GFC losses (often accrued in other parts of their business empires), but the players don't want to give anything up since they've got it pretty cushy right now.
I wonder what Timmy will do if there's a lockout that extends into the season?
I can live without the NBA. If there is a 2011 NFL lockout, all will break loose though. I know it has nothing to do with this thread, but I was thinking about Schefter saying that 98 in a 100 people think there will be no football in 2011. If that does happen, hopefully some good can come of it. Like a rookie pay scale.
From what I've read, the players really get screwed in the NFL - contracts are completely non-guaranteed!? WTF?
NBA players don't want to go down that road. NBA owners do. There will be blood.
Guaranteed money is what the players and manager's worry about the most. Sure, Haynesworth signed a 100 million dollar contract, and he probably wont get all of it, but he still got something like 48 million guaranteed in that deal.
Contracts are partially non-guaranteed. Some really small contracts are all non-guaranteed but the majority have guarantees. The way NFL players get screwed is their pensions and the NFL taking care of them when the toll football takes on their body causes medical problems later in life. With some of the stories about retired players who's lives are absolutely miserable and the NFL isn't lifting a finger to help them, I can't blame the current players for holding out.
Yeah, I read about that too and it amazed me! How freakin hard can it be to get the insurance and pension scheme right?
The NBA (and any other league) can't afford a lockout in this recession. It's a lose lose for all involved.
I think they'll make sure it doesn't happen.
ill get a lot more work done, i know that much
If the world were run by rational, reasonable people who could share, its problems would be far less. Unfortunately, the world is run by petty, greedy people who don't like to share, and the NBA is no different. Even though a compromise on both sides could easily get a deal done, I doubt it. Damage will be done instead because everyone "gotta get theirs".
I sincerely hope your faith in humanity proves correct and both sides agree to give in to some of each other's demands in order to avoid screwing their fanbase at a time when some people might just give up on the league altogether.
Me too!
I did say Gilbert Arenas.
Don't blame David though, CBA negotiations are all about Billy Hunter and the owners.
Being completely biased, as a Spurs fan, lockouts are great because Stern keeps winning every negotiation, thus making the NBA a much more level playing field for small markets like San Antonio. Without the 99 lockout, no way the Spurs could have been able to pay Tim Duncan and David Robinson together, and then pay Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker later on. If it wasn't for the lockout, Duncan would have been pulling $25+ million a season from 2000 on and the Spurs would have been SOL.
Despite all the ing from ignorant fans who think Stern is in on some great conspiracy to screw the Spurs and put the Lakers in the Finals every year, Stern has been very good to the Spurs via the salary cap, luxury tax, and bounds on player salaries. I personally think it screws the players over royally, but I'm a fan and there's nothing logical about fanaticism.
Good points.
I'm all for contraction of salaries and shorter guaranteed contracts as long as the players still get a decent cut of total revenue, and hopefully that's the position Hunter and the owners will settle on.
I would love for the NBA to adopt an NFL-style contract system.
That way, all of these ty lazy NBA player at udes would be gone. They would have to work their ass off or risk getting cut.
In the NFL, if you sign a big deal, you better believe the player is working his ass off to keep it.
In the NBA, if you sign a big deal, you just got your guaranteed meal ticket, so you can suck, sit on the bench, do whatever, and still get paid. It's bogus.
So, yeah, bring on the NFL-like contracts to the NBA. It will improve the game, it will cut down all the Larry Hughes type players, etc...
I say go for it, maybe in a year or two the suns could be rebuilt... Actually, I'd think it would be suicidal in this economy. Edge fans will switch to football or something else and when it returns, will they be able to sell enough tickets to recoup losses?
That said, they definitely need to do something about salaries. Shaq making 20 mil for taking up a few square feet in the key? Long contracts repeating in the situation of teams paying for an injured player over and over? High salaries making numerous franchises unprofitable. ouch...
I say cool. We ALWAYS with the championship during lockout years.
I would watch beach volleyball and college volleyball and then go back to BB when the lockout is over
CBA Negotiations Could Get Ugly
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...could-get-uglyIn conversations with front-office executives Tuesday night, I was told some strong stuff regarding the upcoming Collective Bargaining Agreement. As you probably know, the current CBA will end after the 2010-2011 season.
The gist of what I was told is that the owners will go for the jugular and drop the players’ salaries immensely.
I spoke with one executive about Amare Stoudemire and was told that, the way owners are talking now, Stoudemire wouldn’t even get a five-year contract worth $60 million under the next CBA. That sounded crazy to me, but when I spoke with a team owner an hour later, he made the executive sound tame.
“The owners are really going to chop the money down,’’ the owner said. “I think Stoudemire would get $5 or $6 million [annually] in the next deal. The bottom line is that things are going to change dramatically.’’
Five to six million dollars for a five-time All-Star in his prime? That sounds cruel compared with the players’ current salaries, so cruel that I just don’t believe it. A general manager I spoke with later agreed that that was an extreme.
“That [$5 million for Stoudemire] sounds a little bizarre, but player salaries are definitely going to take a hit,’’ the GM said. “Players that come up for contracts under the new CBA are going to find themselves getting a lot less money.’’
It’s well-known that owners will try to shorten contracts. Currently, players can sign contracts as long as six years. One GM told me the owners are looking to shorten the maximum length of a contract to four or five years. He added that they have actually discussed trying to guarantee only the first two years of a four-year deal, and that the third and fourth years would be guaranteed only if a player reached certain performance-based incentives the previous season.
In other words, it would be closer to the NFL than to today’s NBA.
“Those concepts are being discussed,’’ another GM told me. “Is there a sentiment among some [owners] that they’d like to have it like football? Yeah. But I think that’s out of bounds.’’
Severe drops in salary. Non-guaranteed contracts. Billy Hunter, the Executive Director of the Players Association, will not settle for that without a fight, and the owners know it.
“There’s going to be a lockout,’’ the owner said. “There’s not even a doubt in my mind about that. Billy’s not going to make a deal like that. Teams are already saving up money for a strike.’’
Maybe the players should start saving too.
The NFL system is bull . What the is the point of signing a contract if the obligation only goes one way?
sure but how many players in the NFL can you accuse of being lazy?
If a lockout happens in 2011. I won't really care. it's just the NBA and it isn't all the important I can live without it
Lockout would last 2 days after 90% of the players spend all of their money on a bunch of fiscally irresponsible . Bonus: we can watch Antonie Walker become a scab.
Look for a plethora of loopholes teams can use to get out of guaranteed contracts in the next CBA. Arenas ed any chance the players had, which was slim to begin with.
If the contracts aren't guaranteed, the players' association should just ban multiyear deals period.
Expect an NBA Lockout in 2011
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With many NBA franchises in dire financial straits, it’s been expected that the owners will force many concessions from the NBA Players Association for the long-term health of the league when they renegotiate the collective bargaining agreement after the 2010-11 season.
We haven’t heard many specifics about what exactly they will ask for, but speculation has run rampant. Now, Chris Broussard has several quotes from an owner that give some indication, and it isn’t pretty. From TrueHoop:
I spoke with one executive about Amare Stoudemire and was told that, the way owners are talking now, Stoudemire wouldn’t even get a five-year contract worth $60 million under the next CBA. That sounded crazy to me, but when I spoke with a team owner an hour later, he made the executive sound tame.
“The owners are really going to chop the money down,’’ the owner said. “I think Stoudemire would get $5 or $6 million [annually] in the next deal. The bottom line is that things are going to change dramatically.’’
That’s obviously a considerable cut in salary, which makes you wonder what non-star rotation players would make. Given owners’ usual inability to contain themselves with free-agent offers, there would have to be some serious cap restrictions to drive salary down that much. But wait, that’s not all:
Currently, players can sign contracts as long as six years. One GM told me the owners are looking to shorten the maximum length of a contract to four or five years. He added that they have actually discussed trying to guarantee only the first two years of a four-year deal, and that the third and fourth years would be guaranteed only if a player reached certain performance-based incentives the previous season.
In other words, it would be closer to the NFL than to today’s NBA.
Something tells me the union is not going to lie down in the face of these demands. The NBA union isn’t as strong as its counterpart in some other major leagues—baseball, namely—but it’s still strong relative to unions in other industries. The players aren’t going to submit to anything the owners ask of them, especially if the cuts are this drastic.
That doesn’t mean they won’t be willing to compromise as long as the owners are willing to make their own concessions. Maybe the owners will raise the max salary, or the max will be ditched altogether. Concessions will be dependent on the financial cir stances at the time of negotiations and how the terms of the agreement interlock. Everyone will need to get creative.
Whatever happens, things are likely to get ugly. Broussard’s owner source expects there to be a lockout, claiming that teams are already holding onto their money in anticipation of a strike. Cherish this season and the next, because we’ll probably be without the NBA for some time in 2011.
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