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I would say your guys have great value all around, but they need to play some defense. Having Battier may just provide that defensive factor that just pays off for the rest of the team.
I actually agree with him. Battier is a great addition to a team with a chance. Landry or Scola as well. None are foundational pieces for a team rebuilding. Now, if the Suns could keep Amare and acquire Battier and Landry, then they'd be worth acquiring, but since the Suns really don't have any other pieces that hold the value of Amare, that's just an example and nothing more.
If the Suns are trading Amare, they need one player or one pick that could yield a similar foundational talent. Glue men, even great glue men like Battier and Landry, just aren't the answer.
If the Suns trade Amare, then they need to trade everyone not named Dragic, Dudley and Lopez. Frye's value has never been higher and could fetch a late 1st or early second as he's an expiring contract to boot. Hill may bring in a 2nd-rounder or two, Nash maybe a late 1st and a future 1st or early 2nd-rounder... Barbosa and Richardson... trade them for McGrady. Just clear their CAP space. I'm sure Amundson can be acquired for a 2nd by some team needing frontcourt depth.
None of this will happen being that the Suns don't own their own pick, and Sarver needs to fill seats for fan/sponsor revenue, but it's what needs to be done if they trade Amare, as there's really no salvaging the near future by keeping the others (unless the Suns somehow land Iguodala and Speights for Amare).
I would say your guys have great value all around, but they need to play some defense. Having Battier may just provide that defensive factor that just pays off for the rest of the team.
What would Battier do for the Suns? Make them an 8th seed as oppose to a lottery team? I could give a .
It is very possible that Battier does nothing anyway. Your team isn't getting rid of Steve Nash anytime soon.
Yeah I know. Too many in Nash salad tossers like vicphoenix13 who think a good season for the Suns is Nash putting up big numbers (so they've already won a championship in his eyes) make it impossible for the Suns to ever rebuild.
The Suns could very easily lose the next 4 games on their schedule and drop to 26-25. When that happens, anyone who STILL wants them to keep Nash should go ask their mother how much meth she did during her pregnancy.
I hope the Suns continue their winless TNT streak this Thursday
If anyone with insider kindly post this article
Spurs eye Stoudemire?
Will the Spurs make an offer for Amare Stoudemire?
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/featu...eatures/rumors
WTF? When did I ever say that Nash putting up great numbers is as good as winning a championship? Why would you make such a re ed statement? And I never said that the Suns shouldn't rebuild. What I said was that the Suns should tear it down during the season. I don't have any problem with the Suns dealing the likes of Amare, Nash, Hill and Richardson before the trade deadline.
If Nash asked for a trade, would you criticize him for quitting on the franchise?
No. He wouldn't be the first veteran player to want to go to a contender to win a championship. It'd be completely reasonable. No one accused Karl Malone of quitting on the Jazz when he signed with the Lakers in an attempt to win a championship. P.J. Brown didn't quit on the Hornets for signing with the Celtics to be a contender. No one criticized Sam Cassell for wanting the Clippers to buy him out of his contract so he could sign with the C's that year.
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J-Ho for Amare
My bad then. I had you read as someone who refused to accept the Suns for what they are (a lottery team) and doesn't want any trades to happen.
What if he wanted to be a ring chaser and demanded a trade to the Lakers or Cavs?
So isntead of Bynum averaging 20 on 70% shooting against Dallas he would drop 25 on 85% shooting instead.
What I said was that last offseason was a bad time to start the rebuilding process for a few reasons. Amare had a lower trade value because of his eye surgery and there wasn't an heir to Nash at the point guard position.
Now that Amare is recovered and Goran Dragic is improving as a player, its the right time to start over.
The criticism I'd have there would be him signing an extension AND THEN expecting the Suns to trade his long term, lucrative contract to one of the few contenders a few months later. Lets say he demanded a trade to a contender last off season before signing the extension, it would be a perfectly reasonable decision. He did enough from 2005-2007 to get to request to be traded to a good team.
As far as the ring chasing part, no in way I'd criticize him for that. What do you think Karl Malone was doing when he left the team he's been on his entire career that was mediocre at the time so he could sign with what people believed to be the favorite? Ring chasing. Players ring chase all the time and I don't ever remember them being viewed badly for it.
It's almost certainly referring to this article, and a couple of others posted in this thread.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145305
I don't know why in the the Suns would ever trade for Manu though.
The problem I have with ring chasing is that it is the easy way out. Great players challenge themselves to lead and carry a franchise. What Malone and Payton did was jump on the Shaq and Kobe bandwagon. Nash showed alot of commitment by not following the ring chasing scenario.
Commitment to what? By signing with Phoenix rather than going to a contender, Nash chose a less demanding, less rewarding route. All that's come out of Nash's mouth since that extension are how much better it is to have lowered expectations. That doesn't sound like a "commitment" to anything.
I agree. Much more telling that Nash doesn't have the desire to win a ring at all costs. He seems comfortable with his life and is focusing on his non-basketball related endeavors. Phoenix to LA is a pretty short plane trip.
Commitment to the franchise which helped make him a hall of fame player. And he's never said its so much better to have lowered expectations. What he did say before the season is that he wanted to see if this group could go deep into the playoffs again. Now that's out of the question and I am sure he's re-evaluating whether he wants to stick around.
Nash would lose alot of support among Suns fans if he signed with the Lakers. Remember how angry Red Sox fans were when Johnny Damon bolted for the Yankees.
I'll find an exact quote but Nash def. said that lowered expectations were a good thing.
On LA he'd be expected to take a back seat to another player, play defense and listen to the coach, 3 things Nash doesn't like doing.
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