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Ahhhh...So you are saying Lebron would get Bonner, Mason, Hill and McDyess to the Finals.
Dude, you took out 3 of the Spurs best players, of course they're going to miss the playoffs.
Ahhhh...So you are saying Lebron would get Bonner, Mason, Hill and McDyess to the Finals.
same thing that happens when you take Lebron out.Dude, you took out 3 of the Spurs best players, of course they're going to miss the playoffs.
name them
and Blair. Not the finals but would definitely make the playoffs.
then whats the point of all this...are we only talking about playoffs now?
Pau Gaysol, Andrew Crynum, Lamar Kardashian, and Crazy Ron?
not to mention Cavs stomped the out of Lakers head to head
Glad to be a Lakers Fan....One time All-star before heading to the Lakers Gasol, No time All-stars Lamar and Bynum and Crazy Ron is better then Mo Williams or Shaq.
But even Wade who up until last season didn't shoot many three pointers at all has not shot 50% from the field for an entire season, much less his career. He's never come close to sniffing 54% from the field.I think differently. The thing that separates Jordan from all of those other players in bold is that he stayed away from chucking the 3-ball. T-Mac, Vince, AI all played like idiots and in Vince's case STILL do
I've always said Jordan's b-ball IQ and willingness to work for the good shot always separated him from the mental midget swingmen of today and that's holds true.
I'm merely suggesting that while Jordan would still be a great, great player in today's NBA, I don't think he would have shot as high a field goal percentage playing in today's NBA. I think driving against better athletes, shooting over taller and longer defenders, and having more and more teams play good to above average defense would bring his averages down.
Could he be like a LeBron or Wade, shooting 47-50%? Sure, absolutely. But, that's not the same as shooting 52-54% and 50% for his entire career. I think that's the difference.
Very fair points with Hornacek and Blackman.
With respect to guys like Steve Nash and Jose Calderon, and for that matter Tony Parker and Chris Paul, I think it's not necessarily a good comparison. Those guys are players who are much more selective with their shot selection. As point guards, they aren't counted on to be 25-30 point per game scorers. Especially guys like Nash and Calderon, they generally take very good shots, don't force many bad shots, and when they shoot jumpers, they're usually open jumpers. Ray Allen hasn't been a 50% FG shooter, not even once in his career, not even close.
Your points are still fair. I'm not saying Michael Jordan wouldn't be a smart shooter in today's NBA. Or he wouldn't still be one of the best scorers in the league. He absolutely still would be. I'm just saying I think that 50% FG shooting for his "CAREER" is slightly skewed by the era he played in. I think in today's NBA, he'd be closer to 46-48% FG for his career.
Thats bull crap man. Lebron's teammates were known to carry the the team when Lebron is having a horrendous shooting game. I just dont think people are giving them enough credit.
Lebron shot 42 % twice in a season series (Wizards and Nets in 2007) and the Cavs still won. And how can everyone forget Lebron's horrible series against the 2008 Celtics? Didnt he shoot under 30% for the first 2 games, and under 40% for the following games of that series? and Cleveland still pushed the Celtics on the brink of elimination.
thats right. Those two wins automatically make the Cavs better. thats is the same reason why Lakers were the Team of the Decade.
not to mention Cavs stomped the out of Lakers head to head
Lakers are top heavy, but the rest of the Cavs roster blows the Lakers away. Its all about balance. Id rather have a deep 10 man roatation than a solid 6.
Shaq is done, so lets get that out of the way. This isnt the same Shaq that terrorized the league. As far as Mo, he is a one-time all-star as an injury replacement...who's main and basically only strength is scoring/shooting. Given the choice, Id definitely take all four of the players I mentioned over him.
Anthony Parker has a 42% career three point average. In two previous seasons, he shot 44% from three point range. He's at 45.4% right now playing next to LeBron. LeBron absolutely helps, but Parker has pretty much always been a very good three point shooter.
LeBron's helped Mo a lot more because in Milwaukee, he would force up more jumpers, sometimes off the dribble. In Cleveland, he gets a lot more swings and kick-outs where he has better, more open looks. But similarly, Mo Williams has been a pretty good three point shooter before he played with LeBron.
Damon Jones actually shot below his career three point average while playing with LeBron. As did Donyell Marshall. Wally Szczerbiak shot 40.0% from three as a Cavalier. Before playing in Cleveland, he was already a 40.7% three point shooter. Playing with LeBron kept him pretty much the same exact shooter.
Those players are good shooters Im not trying to suggest otherwise. But they need great players to play off of...same for the numerous shooters that came through San Antonio and played off of Duncan. To suggest that shooters who for the most part cannot create their own shot are on par or close to players like Gaysol, Crynum, Kardashian, or Ron Ron is ridiculous. Shooters are a dime a dozen, 7 footers with post games or 6-10 point forwards with a complete game are not.
I dont disagree with this. But people need not to dismiss the Cavs team outside of Lebron. They already have a solid foundation there. Adding a great player (Wade, Lebron, Kobe, take your pick) with that cast is a winning formula regardless. So let's not act (not you) that that team's chances of being successful minus Lebron is non existent.
I neither said nor suggested those shooters were better than Gasol, Odom, Artest, and Bynum. I merely challenged your contention that I bolded.
I do think Kobe has more talent on his team. But, I also think LeBron has pretty good talent on his. Not the same as the Lakers or the Celtics, but very good talent, and talent that suits LeBron. Not that he couldn't play with two big post players, but that would also change LeBron's game. He wouldn't attack the rim nearly as much. He wouldn't push the ball in transition as much. Right now, he has Shaq who is limited and doesn't demand as many touches as he used to. Then he has Varejao who doesn't require touches and Z who shoots jumpers. That suits his skill set and what he likes to do pretty well. Now, talent-wise, you absolutely take Gasol and Bynum. But, some talk about LeBron's teammates as if they aren't good at all. That's not true. They may not be top 5 or top 10 players at their positions, but he has a few very good teammates and several solid role playing teammates who play those roles well.
I live in LA and watch tons of Laker games - all for the joy of watching them lose. I actually have always liked the Lakers - until Bryant got there. I now give away tickets to Laker games because I can't stand Laker fans.
Why can I not stand Laker fans? Because all they do is cling to a guy like Bryant, who ran Shaquille (the guy responsible for bringing three les to the city) out of town, then immediately cried to the front office to get him help.
The guy embodies the an hesis of team basketball, both on the court, and especially off the court. To me it's shameful that anybody would pull for this guy. Especially women. When I see a woman or little girl walking around in a Bryant jersey, my skin crawls. Do yourself a favor and read the police report from Colorado. The guy is, at best, a disgrace tot he League and to the storied Laker organization. And for Laker fans who continually say, "He wasn't convicted of any crime - he didn't do anything." Please, read the police report. It's all in Bryant's words talking about exactly what he did - at least what he admitteded to the police that he did. By the way, this is also when he mentioned Shaquille's name - a teammate - when Bryant himself was being questioned about an alleged sexual assault. Shaquille O'Neal wasn't even in the state of Colorado at the time.
The only positive thing I can say about Bryant is that he's able to put the ball in the hoop if he gets enough shots, and that's a ton of shots I might add. If that attribute makes Laker fans happy, so be it. He's a guy playing a team sport, but he's playing for himself. Always has, always will. That's obvious to fans of every other team in the league, but not to Laker fans.
Read the police report.
You sound pretty objective and unbiased.
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
at this thread going almost 10 pages over something that got reggie miller said.
blah blah blah...we know we know...you're not a Kobe fan. No one gives a .
Ouch....<crash> the sound of your credibility falling through the floor.
You have to forgive Hater. His Kobessesion blinds him to actual logic.
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