As we all know, Tony has struggled through injuries this season and has failed to contribute at as high of a level as his all-star year last year. But perhaps this is not only due to his injury, but is also due to the personnel changes this team has undergone. Let me elaborate...
Tony is at his best when he plays with Duncan and three knock down three point shooters. I honestly think that has been part of the problem this season. While Jefferson is versatile, he struggles to be a consistent shooter, as does Bogans. And while Dejuan Blair is a beast of physicality, he can't spread the floor. All of this adds up to less driving lanes for Parker, and more contested shots due to the congestion. With Parker out, the Spurs have to move the ball more and get everyone involved, which with the talent on our team, works pretty well. I don't know what the Spurs should do about this, but I think this observation is valid. Playing Matt Bonner, Roger Mason, and Finley last year in the starting line up with Tony gave him open lanes because their defenders could not leave them open. I think the Spurs definitely have to make a more concerted effort of moving the ball from side to side rather than having Tony-Tim dominated pick and roll basketball. The problem is, however, that Tony doesn't bring as much to the offense when he's playing off the ball. Anyway, just some thoughts...
I agree with this. Tony needs the ball in his hands all the time to be effective. As a PG, he's a mediocre passer and he doesn't let many players involved when he's on the court. I think he needs to adjust his game by becoming more pass-oriented than in previous years. With the depth and talent of the Spurs this year, him dribbling and penetrating is becoming more and more obsolete. Honestly, I predicted that the Spurs will win this game without Tony.
Parker should just come off the bench along with Bonner, Mase, Blair, and Fin/Bogans. In this line up, he would be surrounded by shooters allowing him to do what he does best. Plus he would torch any second unit, even with his injury. Start Manu at the 2 and Hill at the 1 with Timmy, RJ, and Dice.
excellent observations.
The pile-on begins.
Or continues.
Whatever.
You cant just ask a player to become something he's not. He doesn't have that kind of mentality and never will, and you cant ask him not to be tony. The spurs have won 3 championships with him playing the way he is, and its ridiculous to think that he can just turn on the switch to become a pass first point guard.
Agree with this completely
Here we go again. All I'm saying is for Tony to prioritize passing more than scoring. He's done in the Spurs' previous games prior to his injury. I don't see any reason why he won't be able to do it. Am I asking him to play like Nash or Paul? no. He just needs to realize that this team is a lot more effective when the ball is moving than him overdribbling.
in other news, you cant turn a hoe into a house wife. tony is a hoe.lol
also bruce bowen was there to shut down every good player from the pg to the pf during those champs.
Exactly. This is the most obvious turn of events on ST. Like clockwork.
Parker's struggles this season are almost entirely due to injuries. He has had some struggles adjusting to the altered personnel around him but not more than any other player on the team. When he's moving freely and not limping around the court, he's still an All-Star level asset.
The theory that the lack of shooters is hurting Parker just doesn't jive with reality. He's finishing fine at the rim -- even better than last season. His dip in offensive production is due to a drop in his own perimeter shooting percentage.
The Spurs have enough talent to win with only two healthy members of the Big 3. In fact, the Spurs are 3-0 this season without Duncan and 4-1 without Manu. With this latest win, the Spurs are now 3-2 without Parker ... so it's not like Parker sitting out is the secret to Spurs success.
Saying Parker should come off the bench or that the Spurs are better with Hill as the point guard is just crazy talk. For the Spurs to win a championship, they need TP playing at a high level. They have no shot at winning it all with a gimpy Parker or with him playing a reduced role. He's by far the best PG on the team (he's arguably the only PG on the team), he's the best playmaker on the team (Manu is very possibly the better passer but even then TP would easily be the second best passer on the team) and Parker getting easy buckets off penetration is the lifeblood of the team's offense. He has flaws but when healthy he's definitely an elite point guard in the NBA.
I'll never understand why Parker is such a difficult player for New Age Spurs Fans to appreciate. For his whole career, these type of threads have popped up -- no matter how well he's playing. I guess TP will only be appreciated once he's gone and Spurs fans really see what it's like to have an issue at the point guard position.
+ 100000
I am curious to see how Parker will perform coming off the bench. My main reasoning for this is to get him some rest. Hill played great last night in the starting position. Who knows, maybe it will be just what the doctor ordered for Parker.
Parker's struggles this season are almost entirely due to injuries. He has had some struggles adjusting to the altered personnel around him but not more than any other player on the team. When he's moving freely and not limping around the court, he's still an All-Star level asset.
The theory that the lack of shooters is hurting Parker just doesn't jive with reality. He's finishing fine at the rim -- even better than last season. His dip in offensive production is due to a drop in his own perimeter shooting percentage.
The Spurs have enough talent to win with only two healthy members of the Big 3. In fact, the Spurs are 3-0 this season without Duncan and 4-1 without Manu. With this latest win, the Spurs are now 3-2 without Parker ... so it's not like Parker sitting out is the secret to Spurs success.
Saying Parker should come off the bench or that the Spurs are better with Hill as the point guard is just crazy talk. For the Spurs to win a championship, they need TP playing at a high level. They have no shot at winning it all with a gimpy Parker or with him playing a reduced role. He's by far the best PG on the team (he's arguably the only PG on the team), he's the best playmaker on the team (Manu is very possibly the better passer but even then TP would easily be the second best passer on the team) and Parker getting easy buckets off penetration is the lifeblood of the team's offense. He has flaws but when healthy he's definitely an elite point guard in the NBA.
I'll never understand why Parker is such a difficult player for New Age Spurs Fans to appreciate. For his whole career, these type of threads have popped up -- no matter how well he's playing. I guess TP will only be appreciated once he's gone and Spurs fans really see what it's like to have an issue at the point guard position.
I just REALLY don't understand...
3 rings
3 time allstar
1 mvp of the finals
+10000pts at 50% shooting
...
WTF guys?
What really is your problem ith Tony?
You don't like his face? his wife? what?
Even if I'm french, I'm not even a TP homer...
My favorit Spur is/used to be (
But come on!!!
How can you all be that blinded???
Can't you see what he brings to the team?
Are you all conservative freaks???
He doesn't play like a classic PG (whitch is a good thing for the "excute plays" system of the spurs by the way), but THERE IS NO "CLASSIC" PG THAT CAN DO WHAT HE DOES!!!!!!!!!! NO ONE!!!!
He'll stay in history as one of the best finisher ever!!!
Do you realise how difficult it is to shoot at 50%? For 8 years? for so many games?
When he is not great (like this year), he is still our 2nd most productive player!!!!
I even read some of you who minimized his production in 2003! He was our 2nd best player even if he strugled!!!!!!!
Hearing you, S.Claxton was better than Tony!!
Start watching what he brings and not only what he doesn't, it's just not fair to him...
Imagine you did the same with Manu!!!
All the dumb plays, the TOs, the last two years, the game 7 Nowitski fault...
Imagine if it was Tony...
You don't have to love the guy, but at least show him some respect!
I mean:
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"Tony should come off the bench".......
Really? That the best your can bring to the debate?
So, basicaly, you think that Hill is a better playmaker/PG that Tony?
It's just absurd man, really...
He is far from being better than Tony at running the show!!
Even if Hill was a real PG, he wouldn't have the "legitimity" of starting ahead of Tony...
+ We already have Manu coming off the bench!
Instead of thinking Tony should change some things, YOU should all start changing the way you see him!!!!
He's been there for 9 years! Why the should he change???
It would be like the veterans adapting their game for rookie/sop res?!?
yes theres been a major turn on parker you know why????? BECAUSE EVERY ASPECT OF HIS GAME HAS BEEN EXPOSED!!!!!!!!
seriously how in the can tim duncan be putting up mvp numbers and assists with new players, how come hill is playing well with everyone new? how about ginobili he is also coming off injury but hes passionate and is working through it, he also does whatever it takes to win.
yes i know parker isnt 100 % but thats exactly why were freaked out because if hes not scoring 20+ hes a liability!!! this is the first year he couldnt rely on bruces defense to carry his weight around.
im just saying that now that we have options when hes not on the floor ex: hill in contrast we see al the intagibles he has never done but we never asked why? because someone would pick up the slack. i just think if theres thousands of people saying "parker is a liability alot of the time" well most likely theres some merit to it!! and i know what the im seeing every game from parker
Still trying to figure out WTF this exactly means.....
I just REALLY don't understand...
3 rings
3 time allstar
1 mvp of the finals
+10000pts at 50% shooting
...
WTF guys?
What really is your problem ith Tony?
You don't like his face? his wife? what?
Why the TP hate here ?
well, some people may find him arrogant. some others may love pass first PG (though you see them giving props to PG like D-Rose) etc etc......
but honestly, you'll probably see that 90 % of these haters are manu's die hard fans (especially argentines ones). you won't see much TP haters bashing manu.
that's just the way it is.
obviously, i won't say that TP is flawless and didnn't ever deserve a thread questionning him. but why so many, so often, when you never see one to give him props ??
well, clearly, the conclusion is quite simple here. TP, as the other backcourt spurs star, could make some shadow to manu and they just can't bear that. As stupid as this is, that's basically the reason. and these guys are very very vocals here. Way more than the TP's fans who almost always like manu (hey, i love TP but i'm not even sure i've started a thread to praise him for the last 4 years that i'm here).
Bring Tony off the bench? Some people are ing re ed.
[quote=lennyalderette;4040965]yes theres been a major turn on parker you know why????? BECAUSE EVERY ASPECT OF HIS GAME HAS BEEN EXPOSED!!!!!!!!
seriously how in the can tim duncan be putting up mvp numbers and assists with new players,
That has nothing to do with Tony...
how come hill is playing well with everyone new?
I love what he brings, but he is not even close to being as good as Tony...
how about ginobili he is also coming off injury but hes passionate and is working through it, he also does whatever it takes to win.
Really? So Manu playing through injuries means he is a pationate, and what about Tony? (no passion?)
yes i know parker isnt 100 % but thats exactly why were freaked out because if hes not scoring 20+ hes a liability!!!
I've seen your name many time, so I gess your are not new here and you know some BB, but please don't make that king of BS statement!!!
Even if he doesn't score, the work Tony is doing by penetrating the paint constantly (and that is not in the boxscore) is ESSENTIAL for the team...
And averaging 6 or 7 assist with the spur system is not THAT bad! (ok he is no Nash or Paul, I know..)
Look I'm not making any excuses for Parker lack of D sometimes or the lack of assists in his game...
I'm just saying, the guys has been here for 9 years!!!!
It has work with him before and he was the same player!! he is has been better everyyear he's been here!!
Without him we wouldn't even have made the PO last year...
And now that he strugles (for many "understandable reasons), nobody here is "excusing" him or giving him time to adjust or be in a better shape !!!
Manu is allowed to do ANYTING, it's fine, everybody always find excuses...
Hill makes some good plays and suddenly he should start!
Mason doing nothing....
RJ ... no comment!
Timmy is the only one who he brings more than (a half
I'l just saying "give him a break", he has earn the right to be less productive sometimes...
I've noticed that the criticisms are very "agressive" toward Tony, it's not only the comments/opinions I have a pb with..
You can feel the hate in most of the comments!
One last thing, you should ask yourself (do an investigation?lol) what do opposite coaches and players think of Tony...
Ever heard of the expression "the head of the snake"????
let's all be friends.
he's a superstar
he's healthy (and he's good).
but he's not having a good year.
fify
Kace, nice prediction you had yesterday, its starting already. I love it how predictable people are
The thing is, TP will never be appreciated by most of the Spurs fans. It's never good enough. He will never live up to them, no matter what he does or how good he is. So, it has nothing to do with his performance, but rather personal hate against him or that he is a french, I just cant think of anything else. They don't realize what TP has done for us over the years, he deserves some props, or at least some basic respect and that's something the fans can't even give him.
Parker coming from the bench? Hill being better at first pg than parker? Come on, are you serious? that's just crazy thinking. And yes a player can and should be criticized and yes TP isnt doing good this season, that sucks, I know, he is tired and with the injuries also, that sucks. But come on, this is just insane, he deserves better than that. Man, with his accomplishments and his profile for this team, the fans should always back him up and respect the guy
Im glad timvp is realistic and closes the stupid threads regarding this immediately
And the manu-tp compe ion some people are talking about, that's just ridiculous. Why would you compete these two and bash eachother? They are both of significance for our team, they are both great and 2 different players. It's pointless
i wasted many posts and time trying to argue with unfair TP's bashers, but with this one, it's just useless my friends:
at least, he's clear and honest.
It's actually kind of funny..
I agree with Kace's point that a lot of Spurs fans seem to knock TP for being a shoot-first PG while showing love to guys like Rose..but you don't even have to use an example like Rose, we have an example on our own team..
I love Hill, he's also a SHOOT-first PG too..so the same people that criticize TP for his playing style are the same people that show love to Hill for the way he plays..it doesn't make any sense to prefer the PG with the same mentality BUT with INFERIOR skills as a PG..
yes, but you'll see them saying that Hill can score like TP (which is false), has the same PG skills (which is damn false) and is better on defense (which is true).
well, after all those years waiting for a decent backup, you would think people could enjoy seeing a young one who can even play SG. well, i guess most fans do indeed.
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