This is true. However Wade has hit 49% three times, and one of those was a season when he took 278 3-pointers. MJ was bigger than Wade, faster, more athletic and had a better midrange game. He also was much better off the ball and had a higher bball IQ. So I don't see why he couldn't get 50%. A worse player is right there.
Additionally, Monta Ellis shot 53% in 07/08, when he dropped 20 a night. Tony Parker shot 55% in 05/06. He has also broke 50% in 2 other seasons. Yet MJ can't sniff 54%? Maggette is shooting 52% this season. The current rules benefit guards that can attack the basket.
And as far as shooting over bigger and taller defenders, yeah you have to shoot over taller wings but the bigs today are worse defensively. The bigs today don't stack up to the ones in MJ's era (Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Shaq, Mourning, Mutombo, Eaton, etc). And you could commit hard fouls then, and defenders could camp out in the paint and wait for you, unlike today.
In MJ's era :
- No defensive 3-second violation,
- no hand checks,
- no flagrant fouls,
and more.
all of that during MJ's era and he still dominated
players today get open lanes for layups and dunks because of the defensive 3 second.
imagine MJ playing today with ticky tack fouls and flagrant fouls.
oh boy
It's not quite the same. When Magic won his les, he was considered the best player on the team for the majority of them. Kareem won the league MVP in 79/80, but Magic sealed the le with arguably the best closing game ever, while Kareem sat. No other Laker finished higher than Magic in MVP voting in any of the other 4 championships. Actually, for the last 3 les he finished 2nd, 1st and 3rd in MVP voting. He was arguably the games best player.
The same goes for Bird (#2, #1, #1) during his 3 les. The same goes for Jordan (#1, #1, #3, #1, #2, #1) during his 6 les. The same goes for Hakeem (#1, #5) during his two les. They were all arguably the games best player.
You can't exactly say the same for Kobe. Shaq finished 1st, 3rd and 3rd in MVP voting during the 3-peat. Jason Kidd finished higher than Kobe every year. T-Mac finished higher than Kobe in 2 of those 3 years. In other words, one player was clearly in the discussion for best player in the league (Shaq, similar to Magic), and the other (Kobe) wasn't. I know folks like to "misremember" when it comes to the 3-peat teams, but Kobe was never considered the games best player during any of those les, and Shaq always was (the argument was basically between him and Duncan). Compare that to last season, where Kobe finished #2 in MVP voting and is not doube arguably the best player in the league.
Odom actually played great in the two series against Phoenix (19, 11, 5 on 50%, then 19, 13 and 2 on 48%....solid defense too). Much better than any other Cav player played last year in the Orlando series. LA still lost, right (blown 3-1 lead, lost 4-1)? And Kobe didn't play better than Lebron did (against Orlando) in either one of those series. Kobe has never had any playoff success on a team that wasn't loaded. I don't see him taking any Cav team further than LeBron did.
MJ is the GOAT BUT ...
Imagine an NBA WHEN MJ was the not the best athlete even in his prime?
Lebron is THAT good of an athlete with a similar skill level ...
Fundamentals? MJ has him beat ...but natural gifts Lebron has that over MJ
Like I said, Odom is probably a much valuable player than Mo, if he gets his head straight, problem with Lamar is his inconsistency has always impeded his real potential thats why Lamar never made the All Star team while Mo got his invitation last year. Also lets not sneeze at Mo. He was pretty steady last year in the playoffs before facing Orlando.
I dont see your point here. You singled out Lamar Odom's performance and completely disregarded the rest? Did you know who else showed up in that series besides Kobe and Lamar? Guess not. LA was a horrible team deemed to lose against a #1 seed. Cleveland on the other hand was the overall owner of the best record the regular season that was emphatically embarassed by a lower seed. NO comparison there if we're going with your example.
Again, I hate to reiterate this, but before Gasol was sent packing to LA, Kobe's teammates were far worst than Lebrons, due to the undisputable fact that he was surrounded by players who just does'nt have any natural instinct to play defense.
Vladimir Radmanovic
Sasha Vujacic
Kwame Brown
Luke Walton
Smush Parker
Brian Cook
Are not starting materials. But they all logged heavy minutes in Phil Jackson's rotation. The brightest spot was Ronny Turiaf who was a foul prone, and Maurice Evans who never found his jumper in LA.
Cleveland always ranked between Top 3-10 In defensive ratings and opponent points per game for even at their worst. The Lakers ranked 15th and 25th in 05 and 06, Its no secret Ferry always surrounds Lebron with defensive minded players thus you see Lebron and the Cavs having much more success in their Conference.
I agree with everything you said. What I was trying to get at is that no one wins with poor teammates or when their supporting cast doesn't show up. It's not about a who had it worse than who situation. LeBron's past few teams have been better than the garbage Kobe had once Shaq left, but in every le winning season Kobe has been on a team with top notch supporting talent. LeBron never has. I don't see Kobe taking any of those Cavs teams any further. I could understand if he had ever led a team devoid of talent deep into the postseason but he hasn't. Most haven't.
so are you saying that Lebron = Kobe?
MiamiHeat is owning this thread with facts
Kobe's playing in a easier era with far less results wierd eh?
YOu agreeing with MIAMI HEAT BIG shock!!!MiamiHeat is owning this thread with facts
MJ waiting on Magic, Bird and Isiah to retire to start winning eh?
But since rings dont matter. Lebron > MJ. The stats say it all.
If a=b, then a agrees with b
The only advantage Kobe has over LeBron is experience and knowledge of what it takes to win it all. Also, at this point, in a big game, with everything on the line, I would still want Kobe to take that shot. However, that gap is closing fast.
Lebron is in his prime right now. Kobe is on the tail end of his.
I would expect Lebron to be the better player at this point in their respective careers. Time will tell if Lebron will develop the skill necessary to be dominant once his athleticism starts to fade. My instincts tell me he won't, his game relies too much on his freakish athleticism. Once his body starts to break down it's all over for him. He needs to win his championships NOW if he ever hopes to catch MJ or Kobe. He will not be leading teams to championships in his 30's like Kobe and MJ have.
If z = you, then you are a dumb ing idiot.
Guess you missed the info. Kori already said I am not Chrisrichards
If i recall he beat magic to get his first ring and dropped 63 on bird when he had no one on his team and was agaisnt the #1 defense in the league and he beat isiah on his way to his first championship which he did win 5 more times and was 6 for 6 in the finals and 6 for 6 mvp in finals
and if you look at stats MJ>Lebron
hmm?
Most dominating players tend to make the NBA make the game harder: Wilt/Kareem forced the key to be enlarged, Shaq had the dotted line and added. Only 2 players, to my recollection, have had the game been made easier for them: MJ and Nash. With MJ it was the CREATION of the flagrant foul and the hand-checking rule and Nash was tightening of hand touching and the addition of Zone...
I still think people are forgetting the P-Jax factor. Neither Jordan nor Kobe were able to do jack without him, and the 1 season P-Jax doesn't coach Kobe they suck, while the very next season with the very same team they almost beat the higher-seeded Suns.
Except for the fact that the the ban on hand-checking was instated in 1994. MJ was already 10 years into his career, already had a 3peat, and all those magical seasons.
MJ only played 3 seasons as a Bull with no hand-checking, when he was in mid-30's.
show me the stats.
what an idiot.
Check this. When I win my ring this year. I get to say I won without Phil Jackson. It'll furthur confirm me as the Greatest.
Bow down to The King, es.
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