Kobe Wants 'Old-School' Defensive Rules To Return

[hitmanyr2k]

Kobe wants old school D?

The same guy who does a lot of vocal flopping?

Please, if he played in the 80's or 90's ,he would be whining like a

This is the first thing to came to mind

Every game this guy screams EYYYY everytime he goes to the rim, flails like he's getting shot out of a cannon on jumpshots and then glares or whines at officials if he's not getting calls on minimal contact and he's talking wanting the old rules back?!? I call bull

[djohn2oo8]

I wonder if Kobe is aware of the panic that has set in over him getting ready to eclipse MJ's career.

Insecure Laker fan, nothing to see here

[djohn2oo8]

Mike

Not Mike

[The Franchise]

Anyone that thinks today's rules make it harder for a perimeter player to score is one of two things.

1. To young to have seen basketball played under the oldschool rules.

2. Stupid as .

If these mother ers look watered down already with these soft rules, can you imagine how basketball would suffer if they had to score against real defense? Some of these supertars would be averaging 18 ppg. Kobe wants the oldschool rules back? Getda outtaherewitdatbull t!!

[Killakobe81]

Anyone that thinks today's rules make it harder for a perimeter player to score is one of two things.

1. To young to have seen basketball played under the oldschool rules.

2. Stupid as .

If these mother ers look watered down already with these soft rules, can you imagine how basketball would suffer if they had to score against real defense? Some of these supertars would be averaging 18 ppg. Kobe wants the oldschool rules back? Getda outtaherewitdatbull t!!

B/ecause he can shoot I dont think it would be as bad as you would think Kobe, Ray Nash joe johnson th ebest shooters would still thrive "DRIVERS"
Aaron Brooks, Wade, Lebron would suffer more ...
with hand checks allowed Kobe Lebron and wade would be even better defenders ...

[Amaso]

You have to be mentally handicapped to say that the old-rules wouldn't help a shooting guard like Kobe. It would be funny to see Kobe get to isolate his defender every single time down the floor. Anyways, I wouldn't want to see a player like Lebron with the old defensive rules because it would be impossible to stop him from scoring. You can't really contain Lebron without zone defense.

[Allanon]

1. You have to be mentally handicapped to say that the old-rules wouldn't help a shooting guard like Kobe.
   
2. It would be funny to see Kobe get to isolate his defender every single time down the floor.
   
3. You can't really contain Lebron without zone defense.

All of it true.

[djohn2oo8]

You have to be mentally handicapped to say that the old-rules wouldn't help a shooting guard like Kobe. It would be funny to see Kobe get to isolate his defender every single time down the floor. Anyways, I wouldn't want to see a player like Lebron with the old defensive rules because it would be impossible to stop him from scoring. You can't really contain Lebron without zone defense.

Yeah ok, it's not like SGs don't get enough help by driving to the basket for the and 1...If they had the old rules, you would see how Kobe would perform as teams would murder him on the way to the basket

[HarlemHeat37]

Well the last time Kobe faced the hand-check rules, he had arguably the worst performance in NBA Finals history..he's "old-school" though, what a cool dude..

[Allanon]

This isn't about taking away from the Celtics. They won fair and square from my point of view.

But you would have to be blind to not see that there was plenty of hand-checking AND zone defense in the Lakers/Celtics 2008 Finals.

Kobe got it all in that series:
1) Zone Defense
2) Hand-check
3) Jordan Rules



ps. This isn't a Kobe thread either. Please debate on the zone or hand-checking as it would apply to all Superstar players like Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Duncan, Dirk, etc.

It's not specific to Kobe, all the Superstars get this kind of defense these days. I have no doubt LeBron would be unstoppable with 1on1 no zone defense.

[Allanon]

Great team players welcome zone defenses, I know I did! I would pray the other team went into zone, because that told me my shooters were getting wide open shots. A zone defense can be beat with two passes, one if you have a slashing PG.

Agreed.

Zone defenses are catered to great teams, whereas the old 1 on 1 defense catered to the superstars.

[BUMP]

The game would be awesome if they allowed the old school defensive rules to return.

Let me ask you guys this

Do ya'll ever watch NCAA and NBA games and notice a huge difference in the intensity of the game like I do?

In the NCAA they will let you get away with a lot more. The NBA is trying to make the game as finesse as possible to bring in larger audiences, higher ratings, and higher scoring. If you watch two good teams play in NCAA rarely do you ever see easy layups. Perimeter defenders are in your chest everytime you touch the ball. That's how the game should be played.

The NBA will never allow you to do that and I, personally, would love for the NBA to return back to the old school rules even though it would mean lower scoring games.

[Double-Up]

Hey Double-Up, where did you go man?

Nobody seems to be backing up your ideas that a 5 on 1 Zone is easier on players like Kobe than 1 on 1

Learn yourself some basketball, fool

Hoes before chores...

[Allanon]

Hoes before chores...

Back up your "challenge to all lakerfans" yah pussy.

[pauls931]

hand checking is what older players use to compensate for their lack of lateral movement.

[hitmanyr2k]

If the old rules came back now the game would be even more of a mockery than what it's become. The star perimeter players today are too spoiled to go back to the way it was. They've had 5 years of Stern kissing their ass and catering to them. It's gotten to the point where it's not enough where they get 10+ free throws a game. They flop, flail and whine when minimal contact is made. If the NBA were to give leverage back to the defensive player the flailing and complaining from these sissy stars would only get worse.

[MiamiHeat]

Here's a fun fact. Across the entire spectrum of basketball fans, the only fan base that thinks perimeter players of today face tougher defenses than the 80s/90s lot are Laker fans. It's their one and only way of trying to put Kobe in the same breath as MJ/Magic/Bird. The rest of the NBA fanbase, commentators and players themselves know the truth, which is:

1. NBA teams use zone about 10% of the time. The zone defense is only used as a change-up, not as a primary tactic. So how can it have a big effect at all?
2. NBA zone is not a true zone, unlike the college game. No NBA zone defense can feature an unguarded defender inside the free-throw lane because of the 3 second violation.
3. The bigger change is the taking away of hand-checks and hard fouls. A prime MJ would drop 50 with the kind of mollycoddling today's perimeter players get.

Of course, even after ignoring these facts, Kobe nut-huggers will not respond to 2 very obvious facts that poke a hole in their little theory:

1. Kobe played and won 2 les before the zone was ins uted. If he was the main man (not Shaq, according to Laker fan) on those le teams, why didn't he just drop 35 each game?
2. MJ played both the 2001-02 and 2002-03 seasons as a 40 year old with a bum knee as the #1 option on the Wiz. The "suffocating" zone defense couldn't prevent this broken-down old man from putting 23 PPG and 20 PPG respectively in those 2 years. His PER in these 2 years (20.8 and 19.3) was not too far behind Kobe's pre-zone-era PER in the 1999-00 year (21.7) when he allegedly was the engine of a Laker le. A young MJ would have torn up the modern era.

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[Killakobe81]

If the old rules came back now the game would be even more of a mockery than what it's become. The star perimeter players today are too spoiled to go back to the way it was. They've had 5 years of Stern kissing their ass and catering to them. It's gotten to the point where it's not enough where they get 10+ free throws a game. They flop, flail and whine when minimal contact is made. If the NBA were to give leverage back to the defensive player the flailing and complaining from these sissy stars would only get worse.

I think the players would adjust ...
But you are right it was stern sissyfying the league ...i think kobe would be fine artest would thrive and Lamar could adjust ...but Pau?
Pau would be slightly above average with old rules ...

[MiamiHeat]

I'd just like to add

the Defensive 3-second violation changed the way NBA plays defense forever.

Zone + defensive 3 second is not a real zone as we know it.

[Allanon]

Here's a fun fact. Across the entire spectrum of basketball fans, the only fan base that thinks perimeter players of today face tougher defenses than the 80s/90s lot are Laker fans.

I stopped reading after this part since it's obviously wrong; the rest must be equally as useless. Typical hate.

Jeff Van Gundy has said on the air numerous times that Kobe's 81 is greater than Wilt's 100 since Wilt didn't have to deal with the advanced zone defenses.

I think JVG knows more about basketball than all of us combined.

[Killakobe81]

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BOTH warlord and miami heat are foolish:

WATCH the video of the Celts that alanon posted.
The Celts play a strong side man/zone hybrid if you and Miami heat can't see or admit that then you don't KNOW about basketball.

note: the Lakers do the same a lot gainst star players ...10% is way to low an estimate ...

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL @ using a JVG quote that compares a performance in the 1960's to a performance in 2006..yes, I'm sure that's what Warlord meant LOL..

[Allanon]

Are we not talking about advanced Zone defenses like JVG said? Zone defense wasn't allowed again until ~2001 or somewhere around there. Everything before was "No Zone".

Warlord said only Laker fan thinks so. JVG does too.

I take JVG over random Spurfan.

Thankyou.

[MiamiHeat]

SOme of you are just too young and haven't done your research

Michael Jordan was the most double and triple teamed player in the history of the NBA.




Notice how many times like 1:50 or 2:24 in the video, the bigs are CAMPING IN THE LANE, not even CLOSE to the guy they are guarding.

in today's nba = EVERY BIG has to stand outside of the paint or be called for defensive 3 second.

this means = more layups and drives to the rim because the bigs cannot position themselves like in MJ's era

[Killakobe81]

SOme of you are just too young and haven't done your research

Michael Jordan was the most double and triple teamed player in the history of the NBA.

This was one of your best posts in a while the Pistons at times were playing a zone ...the refs just didnt always call it.
I agree MJ was doubled a lot BECAUSE he was SO FAR ahead of his time.
I am NOT LBJ=MJ BUT

Teleport Lebron back then with his athletic gifts?

Lebron even though his fundamentals ... are NOT as strong as MJ's LEBRON would of BEASTED back then ...