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I've noticed it too. It worries me because this is around the exact time last year when Duncan's production went down incredibly after his great start.
I'd be worried about Manu and his colossal suckage.
I've noticed it too. It worries me because this is around the exact time last year when Duncan's production went down incredibly after his great start.
Last year's Duncan literally couldn't move..he doesn't look like that at all IMO..
It might be the start of it right now, but I really don't see how he's moving differently from a physical standpoint..
I don't think anybody can realistically expect to get the same Duncan we've been getting this season though..he's naturally going to drop-off..I don't think he'll be as bad as he has been the past 2 weeks from a shooting standpoint, but he won't be as good as he was to start off the year..we'll get something in the middle IMO, which is fine, but only if Parker/Manu/RJ show up..
I thought he looked a little better today but yeah I'm worried.
I thought duncan was playing great until pop rested him that one game.. Since then duncan hasn't really played so great.
He's just in a shooting slump. I'm not noticing any slower movement, or lack of lift. He's just missing the same shots he was taking earlier this year. Shooting slumps happen to everybody, even the greats. No worries guys.
A huge segment of the team is in a shooting slump.
And once someone comes out of it, someone else starts throwing up bricks. It's been like that all season.
Duncan is 34 years old...he's still a wonderful player but obviously tired when you ask him to be still our number one player for more than 30 minutes.
Manu and Parker are still very good players but not anymore at all star level (manu for injuries and age; parker for injuries and too much playing time all year long)...
Somebody else have to carry the team.
We have too many players that are one dimensional and can't contribute in other ways.
No way that in the some team players like Mason, Bogans and Bonner play all extended minutes, sometimes together.
Mason can only shoot (and sometimes, like today, he doesn't shoot well) but plays limited defense and can't rebound.
Bonner, see above.
Bogans can only play (decent) defense and nothing else...in comparison, Bowen (also the bowen of last season) would be by miles a better solution.
I think that, if we still want compete (I mean in play offs, not just in regular season) is finally time to see if we have some other resource...the only ones I still see are Hairston and Mahinmi.
In any case, going on like this there are very good chances we don't make the play offs...
Well, jumping actually helps playing basketball.
Not much, if you are good, but a little bit yes.
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Duncan's speed up and down the court isn't at its normal level. Neither is his quickness. It's been pretty obvious as of late.
I wouldn't go into full panic mode because we've seen Duncan go through midseason swoons before where he just gets a bit fatigued ... but after last season, Spurs fans should be concerned, at least to a small degree.
Fatigue at this stage of the season is natural, especially with the load he's had to carry this year..
Last year's Duncan looked HORRIBLE from a movement perspective in the 2nd half of the season..he definitely isn't anywhere near that point IMO..
Obviously this is a bad sign though, since he can't get a good rest right now..we're gonna have to rush TP back, which is obviously a bad move, but it might be necessary..this is what happens with age..
True. And he did just have six games straight at home, dating back to the 20th. That's a lot of time to rest and sleep in your own bed and not have to travel.
It was a progressive decline last year. He didn't just fall off a cliff. Duncan started moving slower and slower and slower until it was obvious to everyone who watched.
Yes, naturally, but I don't think he's showing the same signs as he did last year..at least IMO..
I do think it's dangerous though..they're gonna have to be cautious with this, so they'll have to keep resting him on b2bs and whenever they can, but it's tough at this point with the way the Spurs have been playing and the fact that we're in real danger of missing the playoffs..
Pop really needed to play the young players earlier this season, it would have saved some wear and tear for the season on Duncan and Manu..
And that's why we should try the young legs...
Let's consider that we played 29 games at home and just 17 on the road...now ther's the rodeo trip and after, however, a very difficult schedule... and our studs look like they're already tired.
Everybody must contribute...hoping they can...
Anyone else feel slightly depressed/irritated/crotchety when we talk about players in their mid thirties being past their prime and no longer to physically hang? Anyone else that is perhaps in their mid to late thirties? Anyone else that is sort of shocked by the idea that athletes are neither older men nor contemporaries, but now, our juniors? Does anyone else feel a slight jarring when they realize that all of the players that were just leaving college for the NBA about the same time you were leaving college are now... retired?
Crickey. I'm almost 37. All I've got left is Brett Farve and some PGA players.
The last 4-5 games, I thought it wa just his shot.
He was getting his career high rebound 27 thing.
But today, he was really slow.
That's why I appreciated that Blair played 30' to help him out....
20 and 10 playing 30 min a game, Duncan is the last thing wrong with this damn team..
It's over, roger.
I think there's a real possibility that smallball+microball just ground Duncan down to how he moves now. So many crunch time hard fought minutes where he had shoulder so much of the burden . . . posting up on offense, being the anchor and help defender on defense, being the only guy fighting for rebounds, getting taken out to the perimeter having to guard screen rolls instead of stealing rest near the post . . .
accelerated fatigue.
It really is true..I don't really know how Pop doesn't see what he puts Duncan through with the players around him in the frontcourt..
two game ago, Tim Duncan had an unprecedented game in NBA history:
27 rebounds
10 offensive rebounds
11-11 free throws
6 assists
0 turnovers
never in NBA history has there been a game remotely like this one. Get your together.
I think physically he looks ok, but he's not taking advantage of the areas on the floor he used to be very effective at, namely the bank shot from the mid-elbow.
Haven't seen him take his patented banker in 10 games or so it seems.
That's true, good point..his bank shot has been so efficient this year, he has stopped taking it for some reason..
Blackjack pointed out that his moves looks a lot worse right now, which is true, and he's also brought back some of his stupid moves that he avoided using earlier..his shot selection has definitely been questionable during this stretch IMO..
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