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"The only Western Conference teams that are worse than the Spurs against said opponents are the Warriors, Timberwolves, Clippers and Kings. League-wide, teams beat .600 teams .329 of the time."
Shaking the Roster Up
by Timothy Varner
The good folks at Elias Sports Burea are in the business of providing perspective. According to Elias, the Spurs are 3-9 against teams with a .600 or better record. The only Western Conference teams that are worse than the Spurs against said opponents are the Warriors, Timberwolves, Clippers and Kings. League-wide, teams beat .600 teams .329 of the time. To say the Spurs struggle against good teams is putting it gently.
Making matters worse, San Antonio has played 62 percent of its games at home this season. That percentage leads the league, but will quickly race toward the center as the Spurs launch into their annual Rodeo Road Trip.
Let me try this a different way. During Sunday’s telecast, Hubie Brown said the Spurs, or any Western conference team for that matter, should only measure themselves against one question: can they beat the Lakers four out of seven times, and while spotting Kobe’s squad homecourt advantage?
From where I sit, the answer is clearly ‘no’.
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"The only Western Conference teams that are worse than the Spurs against said opponents are the Warriors, Timberwolves, Clippers and Kings. League-wide, teams beat .600 teams .329 of the time."
As usual great stuff from 48MOH. How these guys can make trading for Amare and Maggette sound so appealing is beyond me.
I'm going to stick with the wait and see approach. The next month should be interesting.
Uses a lot of words to say what everybody already knows lol
What people have to understand is that the spurs aren't gonna get an impact player without giving up an impact player. So basically you're trading for the same situation, except a guy who has no idea what our system is like. People are failing to see how important Manu and Tony are to the spurs, especially Manu. I know everybody thinks I'm biased when it comes to Manu, but you have to understand if the guy gets his shot back (everybody goes on slumps, and Manu is known to come through when it matters), there's no one I'd rather have here that we could potentially get in a trade.
We already traded for an impact player, difference maker this offseason, and that hasn't turned out as well as we'd hoped. So we risk doing that again and completely ing up TD's last years? I'd much rather roll the dice on manu's shot then on someone else coming in here and giving us as much as he does in the playoffs with only half a year under the spurs system. Our roster is fine, we just have to start playing like it. Even if god forbid we don't win a le this year, it doesn't have to be a complete failure of a season, it'll give us an extra year with the same core.
And why are we talking about rebuilding AND going all out in the TD era at the same time? That just doesn't work, it's one or the other, you can't have both without magic lol
Perfectly said.
sign me in here.
what do we want?
currently this team is a borderline PO team, if they make the PO, they will meet Lakers, Nuggets or Mavs in the 1st round and out.
if things start to go better - health, chemistry, defense - Spurs are still not the sure fire conference finalist to play the Lakers there. a 2nd round out is more likely. and if they somehow make the CF, they will get destroyed by the Lakers like 2008.
if the goal is to at least make the CF and play at least a tough series, they will need the mentioned trade. ADDITIONAL to the mentioned health, chemistry, defense improvement.
either a blockbuster for an all star / borderline all-star caliber, or 2 trades for 2 quality players.
scenario a will cost Manu, a pick, Blair or Hill, the Splitter rights.
scenario b might be possible with expirings, a pick and/or Splitter rights.
in a perfect world this trade is designed around RJ, which means taking back even longer contracts. (Maggette or Hamilton for example)
it's worse than that. out of those 3 loses, 1 is to the Kobe + gasol less lakers. and 1 to the mavs at the begining of the season, mavs lost that game on their own.
That leaves us with 1 win vs. 60% teams. Atlanta. we are 1-9 vs good teams
Damn, it's not only RJ's lack of play that is hurting the Spurs. His whole unmovable bad contract seems to be screwing the Spurs even more then his lack of play ever could.
IF only RJ would be what he was brought in here to be. Now Spurs might have to break up some of the core(Manu,ect) to stay a float just becuase they can not move RJ or get the contributon needed.
I Like the first scenario where we trade expirings for magette and Randolph, I would hope they would cut at least one of them so they could return or thrown in Anthony morrow as well.
Last edited by 5in10; 02-02-2010 at 02:15 PM.
I think getting Stoudemire would be great for the Spurs and for Tim Duncan in particular. Getting a dynamic scoring big like Amare would do wonders for extending Timmy's career.
The Corey Maggette trade I think would be Jefferson 2.0. Corey can't shoot the 3 ball and he likes to drive the lanes just like Tony Parker and RJ.
With both Maggette and on the floor at the same time, it's going to get even uglier...no shooters on the floor for spacing and everybody wants to play in the paint.
Main players
Duncan (best in the paint)
Tony (best in the paint)
(best in the paint)
Corey (best in the paint, can't shoot 3's)
Manu...the only one of the bunch that can hit the 3 pointer and even he likes sniffing the paint
This blog entry is hoopsworld worthy.
And Laker fan is damn stupid.
Whatever, .
Yep, whatever...
Just stop talking about a franchise you know nothing about.
Go back to the NBA forum starting some LOL thread.
You're stupid as usual, Bruno.
I have NEVER created a "lol thread" and I only participate in "lol Laker" threads.
And I post where I want. Thanks.
Fine continue to troll this board.
With guys like you, maybe this forum will become as bad a the NBA one.
Where am I trolling?
You're the one jumping in acting like a .
It's sure that going on a Spurs' message board and insult Spurs' players isn't trolling...
And you call me stupid.
Again, I ask you where do I do this?It's sure that going on a Spurs' message board and insult Spurs' players isn't trolling...
And you call me stupid.
When do I EVER insult Spur fans without them calling me out first?
Look in this thread, you just straight up called me "stupid" in your first post.
If you can find ANY post where I start with Spurfan first, I will apologize and not post in the Spurs side of the forum anymore. Aside from "Spurs vs Laker" games trashtalk of course.
Read better, genius, Spurs' player =! Spurs' fans.
I don't think Allanon is a pure troll or an asshole or anything, but he IS stupid, that's for sure..if you need any proof, go over to the NBA forum and look at his posts about anything Kobe-related..
Example #1, when comparing Lebron to Kobe's supporting cast, Allanon has been quoted as saying the current version of Shaquille O'Neal is just as good as Dwight Howard..LOL..
I cant comment on previous posts or trends. But Allanons post here was nothing but his thoughts on the topic. He did not in any way bash the spurs or the spurs fans. Bruno, imho, went way over the top here.
Look at how he called RJ.
He says he isnt a good outside shooter and he prefers driving the lanes, as does Maggette, and that the two of them wouldn't work well together on the floor.
I wouldnt call that bashing him.... especially considering how bad Jefferson has been this year.
+1 Yep ur the biggest Manu supporter on this board but you have a very solid point when it comes to #20. Not to mention Manu's energy, even when his shots aren't falling, is sorely needed on this team. Imagine this team without his energy. More times than not, you see the current Spurs team "lifeless" on the court and going through the motions for spells wihtout any energy.
The Altanta game was some of the Spurs best ball. I have to wonder if that had to do with the team being inspired by all the negative trade talk about Manu for Stoudemire. Something got into them. Makes you wonder what the lockeroom would be like if Manu was traded. Whoever showed up here would have the pressure of the world on their shoulders and a bullseye on their chest. "We're expecting a lot, we gave up a lot for you" would be an everyday qoute in practice. If we give up one of our most beloved Spurs (who even speaks Spanish!) for a star who doesn't produce (think RJ); the team could melt down, of course this board would melt down too! I don't like the thought of Manu leaving, especially midseason. COuld do much more harm than good chemistry wise.
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