Majority of Republicans believe Obama's a Socialists...

[TeyshaBlue]

I looked at the polling methodology and I didn't see anything indicating that it was all hardcore Republicans.



Now, it may be the case that the hardcore members of the party are more likely to identify themselves as Republican, but using that would be somewhat speculative as well.

Where did you find the methodology? I couldn't find it anywhere.

[Mr. Peabody]

Where did you find the methodology? I couldn't find it anywhere.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/1/31/US/437

[Mr. Peabody]

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a poll that's designed to make Republicans look bad. The types of questions that are being asked appear to be there to feed a narrative of a crazed right wing.

[TeyshaBlue]

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a poll that's designed to make Republicans look bad. The types of questions that are being asked appear to be there to feed a narrative of a crazed right wing.

I found it. Thanks!

It's not a poll. It's a propogandist dream of leading questions.

Some of the gems from the "poll":

QUESTION: Do you think Barack Obama is a socialist?

QUESTION: Do you believe Barack Obama wants the terrorists to win?

QUESTION: Do you believe ACORN stole the 2008 election?

QUESTION: Do you believe Barack Obama is a racist who hates White people?

QUESTION: Do you believe your state should secede from the United States?


GGA, you owe me a bag of doughnuts!@

[TeyshaBlue]

I found it. Thanks!

It's not a poll. It's a propogandist dream of leading questions.

Some of the gems from the "poll":

QUESTION: Do you think Barack Obama is a socialist?

QUESTION: Do you believe Barack Obama wants the terrorists to win?

QUESTION: Do you believe ACORN stole the 2008 election?

QUESTION: Do you believe Barack Obama is a racist who hates White people?

QUESTION: Do you believe your state should secede from the United States?


GGA, you owe me a bag of doughnuts!@

It also doesn't disclose where they found a data pool of "self identified Republicans". I'm pretty sure you can find a nice pool of those within the membership of the Republic of Texas organization.

[TeyshaBlue]

I work with statistics every day. Analysis is what I do for a living. Data integrity is the word here. Unless they disclose their data set from which the poll population was pulled from, then it's difficult to establish a true confidence factor. Terms like " a disproportionate percentage of respondents are from GOP strongholds in the South (42 percent) as opposed to the Northeast (11 percent). " are telling.

[TeyshaBlue]

This is why, dan's strawman aside, I don't put alot of confidence in polls.

[TheProfessor]

Don't really care about the poll, but anyone who actually thinks Obama is an honest-to-God socialist is difficult to take seriously.

[TeyshaBlue]

Don't really care about the poll, but anyone who actually thinks Obama is an honest-to-God socialist is difficult to take seriously.

Agreed.

[TeyshaBlue]

The more I look into this "poll" the squirrelier it is.
They conducted a variant of this "poll" last July, again for the Daily Kos. It proclaimed 58% not sure/doubt Obama born in US.

Yet somehow, 77% of Americans were identified as "thinking that the President is actually an American".

What pitiful crumbs of a data set they do release shows a much larger sampling among, again, southern states and the 60+ crowd...the demographic where you would expect to find latent, or not so lantent, racist at udes. The same thing is true of this recent "poll". GMFB.

[mogrovejo]

What do you guys think a socialist is? Why do you think Obama isn't one?

In Europe, Obama would be called a socialist and he'd belong to a socialist party. A socialist is a guy who follows socialist, statist policies and a quasi-planned economy and that's what Axelrod has been doing.

(Unless one follows the idea that "socialism" is strictly the government ownership of the means of production, but in my view that definition is dated).

[TeyshaBlue]

What do you guys think a socialist is? Why do you think Obama isn't one?

In Europe, Obama would be called a socialist and he'd belong to a socialist party. A socialist is a guy who follows socialist, statist policies and a quasi-planned economy and that's what Axelrod has been doing.

(Unless one follows the idea that "socialism" is strictly the government ownership of the means of production, but in my view that definition is dated).

Dude, a socialist would not have bailed out the financial industry. It's very existence, in it's current form, is an anathema to basic, socialist principles.

Obama is not a ing socialist.

[ElNono]

What do you guys think a socialist is? Why do you think Obama isn't one?

In Europe, Obama would be called a socialist and he'd belong to a socialist party. A socialist is a guy who follows socialist, statist policies and a quasi-planned economy and that's what Axelrod has been doing.

(Unless one follows the idea that "socialism" is strictly the government ownership of the means of production, but in my view that definition is dated).

What statist policies have been followed?

[TeyshaBlue]

What statist policies have been followed?

Exactly.

[mogrovejo]

Dude, a socialist would not have bailed out the financial industry. It's very existence, in it's current form, is an anathema to basic, socialist principles.

Obama is not a ing socialist.

Really? I think economic interventionism is generally associated with socialism and not with liberalism (in the classical sense).

Again, if you mean that socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production, then you're right, but not even Chavez or the Cubans have nationalized everything.

What statist policies have been followed?

Pretty much every single one of them. The bail out has been mentioned, so there's one.

[TeyshaBlue]

Really? I think economic interventionism is generally associated with socialism and not with liberalism (in the classical sense).

Again, if you mean that socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production, then you're right, but not even Chavez or the Cubans have nationalized everything.



Pretty much every single one of them. The bail out has been mentioned, so there's one.

You have a very pliable definition of socialism then. Chavez and Cuba are irrelevant. Obama is not a socialist. The bailout was a capitalists dream. Oil. Water.

You're demonstrably incorrect.

[TeyshaBlue]

Pretty much every single one of them. The bail out has been mentioned, so there's one.

Please, list every single one of them, because I don't believe you.

[mogrovejo]

You have a very pliable definition of socialism then. Chavez and Cuba are irrelevant. Obama is not a socialist. The bailout was a capitalists dream. Oil. Water.

You're demonstrably incorrect.

In that case, free-market is socialist and economic interventionism is not? That's odd.

[TheProfessor]

Really? I think economic interventionism is generally associated with socialism and not with liberalism (in the classical sense).

Again, if you mean that socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production, then you're right, but not even Chavez or the Cubans have nationalized everything.



Pretty much every single one of them. The bail out has been mentioned, so there's one.

This is beginning to border on self-parody.

[TeyshaBlue]

In that case, free-market is socialist and economic interventionism is not? That's odd.

Obverse does not always equal the converse. That was an asinine dodge.

Please list all of the statist policies that Obama has followed.

[mogrovejo]

Increasing the role of the state in the economy is not statist?

That's also odd.

[ElNono]

Pretty much every single one of them. The bail out has been mentioned, so there's one.

The bailout was not Obama's... again, since he's been president, what statist policies have been followed?

You could say Obamacare, but the current incarnation of Obamacare has nothing socialist about it. A socialist would go straight to single payor, much like in socialist France, for example.

[TeyshaBlue]

Increasing the role of the state in the economy is not statist?

That's also odd.

Please list all of the statist policies Obama has followed.

You do know that Bush was guilty of this as well, ergo, Bush was a socialist.

[rjv]

Dude, a socialist would not have bailed out the financial industry. It's very existence, in it's current form, is an anathema to basic, socialist principles.

Obama is not a ing socialist.

you would think that would be obvious to someone purporting to know everything about everything. but perhaps his applications of learning are similar to socialism. they work in theory only.

[clambake]

Increasing the role of the state in the economy is not statist?

are you saying it was a premeditated act by pres. bush?