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    Please list all of the statist policies Obama has followed.

    You do know that Bush was guilty of this as well, ergo, Bush was a socialist.
    and we can even follow this yellow (or red if you prefer) brick road to reagan.

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    It's okay to admit you're incorrect.

    Unless you are pathalogically unable to do so.

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    The bailout was not Obama's... again, since he's been president, what statist policies have been followed?

    I'm fairly certain that the only reason the bailout fund exists is because of the Obama administration, otherwise it'd automatically expire by the 31st December 08.

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    The bailout was not Obama's... again, since he's been president, what statist policies have been followed?

    I'm fairly certain that the only reason the bailout fund exists is because of the Obama administration, otherwise it'd automatically expire by the 31st December 08.

    But you have all the keynesian stimulus measures, for example.

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    Please list all of the statist policies Obama has followed.

    You do know that Bush was guilty of this as well, ergo, Bush was a socialist.
    Yes, I've written that here before, that Bush followed many socialist policies as well and was one of the most statist presidents in the history of the USA.

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    I'm fairly certain that the only reason the bailout fund exists is because of the Obama administration, otherwise it'd automatically expire by the 31st December 08.
    I'm fairly certain you are incorrect again, as is the laughable parody of logic you posit with the expiration date of 12/31/08.

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    Yes, I've written that here before, that Bush followed many socialist policies as well and was one of the most statist presidents in the history of the USA.
    Please list all of the statist policies Obama has followed.

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    I'm fairly certain that the only reason the bailout fund exists is because of the Obama administration, otherwise it'd automatically expire by the 31st December 08.
    Obama was inaugurated as president on January 20, 2009. I fail to see how he could do much in his capacity as president before that day.

    But you have all the keynesian stimulus measures, for example.
    Keynes-style packages have been issued before in this country, including by the previous administration, and administrations before it, most notably during the great depression. Hardly a socialist trait.

    Again, what statist policies Obama has followed?
    Last edited by ElNono; 02-04-2010 at 11:38 AM.

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    Can this get much more Orwellian? The expansion of the power and size of the state isn't called statism and socialism any more. Amazing.

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    Obama was inaugurated as president on January 20, 2009. I fail to see how he could do much in his capacity as president before that day.
    You do? But he did. Do you want some links?



    Keynes-style packages have been issued before in this country, including by the previous administration.

    Again, what statist policies Obama has followed?
    Huh? I've just mentioned the Keynesians stimulus packages.

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    Can this get much more Orwellian? The expansion of the power and size of the state isn't called statism and socialism any more. Amazing.
    What's amazing is we're still waiting.

    Please list all of the statist policies Obama has followed.

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    You do? But he did. Do you want some links?





    Huh? I've just mentioned the Keynesians stimulus packages.
    You know a person can pick and choose policy decisions without necessarily wearing the cloak of that policy. It's possible to apply statist policies occasionally without being a ing socialist.

    Please list all of the statist policies Obama has followed and describe how they make him a socialist.

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    mogrovejo, you stared off in this thread opposing the results of dan's "poll".
    Yet here you are basically trying your hardest to validate dan's lunacy.

    Irony much?

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    Can this get much more Orwellian? The expansion of the power and size of the state isn't called statism and socialism any more. Amazing.

    because the expansion of the state on behalf of the corporate sector and wealthy elite is hardly anything you would find in the manifesto.

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    mogrovejo, you stared off in this thread opposing the results of dan's "poll".
    Yet here you are basically trying your hardest to validate dan's lunacy.

    Irony much?
    What?

    I don't think that calling a statist a statist is lunacy. And an administration whose a huge majority of decisions lead to a more prominent role for the state is statist. Saying otherwise is what seems lunacy to me.

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    because the expansion of the state on behalf of the corporate sector and wealthy elite is hardly anything you would find in the manifesto.
    That's funny. It's not socialism because it can't be found in the manifesto? That's the old trick of "oh, socialism never happened; it didn't work because it wasn't really socialism".

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    What?

    I don't think that calling a statist a statist is lunacy. And an administration whose a huge majority of decisions lead to a more prominent role for the state is statist. Saying otherwise is what seems lunacy to me.
    Apparently, there are just too many dots in this picture for you to connect. Sorry, dude.

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    You do? But he did. Do you want some links?
    Are you saying Obama had executive powers as President of the USA before January 20, 2009?

    Yes, I want to see the links to that.

    Huh? I've just mentioned the Keynesians stimulus packages.
    I know you did, and I just called you out for that. Keynes was such a socialist that almost all capitalist governments adopted its policy recommendations in the 50's and 60's, including the USA.

    I'm still waiting for the list all of the statist policies Obama has followed.

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    I know perfectly well that an expansion of the state doesn't lead to an utopia but to a dystopia. That's why I'm fiercely opposed to it.

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    What?

    I don't think that calling a statist a statist is lunacy. And an administration whose a huge majority of decisions lead to a more prominent role for the state is statist. Saying otherwise is what seems lunacy to me.
    What are those decisions? And in which areas has the state taken a more prominent role?

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    Omfg

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    Are you saying Obama had executive powers as President of the USA before January 20, 2009?
    No, please re-read.


    I know you did, and I just called you out for that. Keynes was such a socialist that almost all capitalist governments adopted its policy recommendations in the 50's and 60's, including the USA.
    Are you seriously argued that state expansion and government interventionism don't qualify as statism because others have done it before? That's a pretty incredible theory.

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    I know perfectly well that an expansion of the state doesn't lead to an utopia but to a dystopia. That's why I'm fiercely opposed to it.
    Listen, I wanted Obama to be more socialist. This is exactly why I have a gripe with what you're saying. I think a lot of people that voted for him are very disappointed because, as a socialist, his administration has failed miserably.

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    Please list all of the statist policies Obama has followed and describe how they make him a socialist.

    Please stop moving the goal posts as each of your "arguements" gets utterly shredded.

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    Listen, I wanted Obama to be more socialist.
    You need to stop now.

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