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    The IHR? Seriously? You know they're basically a front for anti-semitic nazi-sympathizer bull , don't you?
    I didn't know that. I don't think what is written in here is wrong though. I read the body and thought it was what I was looking for. He used quotes from people there at the time. Basically the French rolled over. The resistence were the farther left guys - Marxists. Also that the avg. Paris citizen was not put out to the parade out of fear from a Socialist govt. That they went on their own will. I didn't understand why some of you posted a laugh icon and figured you did not think it true. Do you disagree with only the website?

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    ElNono, can you expand a bit your remarks about Miterrand and that 1988 health-care reform?
    I'm going to own up to this.
    The reform I was speaking about was in 1998, not '88. That means it was passed with Chirac in power, not Miterrand.

    Here's the article

    And this is the reform I was talking about:

    Because the model of finance in the French health care system is based on a social insurance model, contributions to the scheme are based on income. Prior to reform of the system in 1998, contributions were 12.8% of gross earnings levied on the employer and 6.8% levied directly on the employee. The 1998 reforms extended the system so that the more wealthy with capital income (and not just those with income from employment) also had to contribute, since when the 6.8% figure has dropped to 0.75% of earned income. In its place a wider levy based on total income has been introduced, gambling taxes are now redirected towards health care and recipients of social benefits also must contribute.[6] Because the insurance is compulsory, the system can effectively be thought to be financed by taxation rather than traditional insurance (as typified by auto or home insurance, where risk levels determine premiums).

    I made a mistake when I attributed this to Miterrand, and I stand corrected.
    It's interesting to note, however, that Chirac was more of a right winger, yet he passed this reform which basically punishes the wealthy.

    I'm doing this to 'raise the bar'... I wish sometimes everyone would stick to some higher standards.

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    I agree.

    But the book's author is David Pryce-Jones and it'd be a little difficult to accuse him of being an anti-semitic, nazi-sympathizer, don't you think?
    I guess I was just wondering why anyone would make the IHR their go-to repository for WW2 information. They're the reason "revisionist history," as a phrase, has become au currant.

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    ElNono breaks the suspense.

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    AS elaborates.

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    DarrinS is correct.

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    Is it the French?

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    I didn't understand why some of you posted a laugh icon and figured you did not think it true.
    I don't think that's what elicited the laugh icons.
    Do you disagree with only the website?
    Yes

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    Fries worked...
    Can't believe I cannot find a youtube video of the "Better Off Dead" scene where the mom is naming all the Franch items she has for dinner.

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    How did SnC turn this into a pro-Nazi thread?

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    Love of parades, maybe?

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    How did SnC turn this into a pro-Nazi thread?
    Somebody had to make the thread about something after mogro dodged a question for 6 pages.

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    200+ posts in and still no signs of this thread being anywhere close to the inevitable conclusion that it's impossible to "prove" someone is or isn't a socialist when the very definition of the word is still somewhat subjective, as are what the "qualifications" should be.

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    200+ posts in and still no signs of this thread being anywhere close to the inevitable conclusion that it's impossible to "prove" someone is or isn't a socialist when the very definition of the word is still somewhat subjective, as are what the "qualifications" should be.
    You spoiled the surprise!

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    Love of parades, maybe?
    I'm not French.

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    How did SnC turn this into a pro-Nazi thread?
    Are you shocked at a post going off topic without you doing it?

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    Which president in the last century hasn't advocated or enacted statist policies?

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    Are you shocked at a post going off topic without you doing it?
    No. I am not at all surprised at your pro-Nazi tangent.

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    You spoiled the surprise!
    I just wanted to wrap this up so that we could start the debate as to whether or not Obama is a muslim.

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    No. I am not at all surprised at your pro-Nazi tangent.
    You do that so well, you should be a member of the media.

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    How did SnC turn this into a pro-Nazi thread?

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    You do that so well, you should be a member of the media.
    I'd say you do that so well you should be a memeber of the Nazi party, but you probably already are.

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    200+ posts in and still no signs of this thread being anywhere close to the inevitable conclusion that it's impossible to "prove" someone is or isn't a socialist when the very definition of the word is still somewhat subjective, as are what the "qualifications" should be.
    That question was settled in my mind on the first page, but yeah, it's still true.

    It's nearly impossible to prove, because almost all the definitions are invidious, and the dictionary definitions suck.

    The question of our collective participation in a quasi-socialistic, technocratic, theraputic/managerial administrative scheme for 75 years, allocated based on norms of distributive justice, is mostly begged and taken for granted now I guess.

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    Even though we can't really afford it anymore.

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