Official Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

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kevin martin sucks. dude just launches 3's with that nasty ass release.

the mavs acquiring him by getting rid of spur killer josh howard would be fantastic imo. martin is weak and soft. howard gives us fits.

martin launches 3's and makes them at a 38% clip. the guy also gets to the free throw line at a high rate which means he's attacking. howard may be a spurs killer but pretty much fades away against every other opponent. there's no guarantee the mavs and spurs will meet in the playoffs anyways but that wasn't my point. the mavs acquiring a top 5 scoring SG would launch them into the next level, between the lakers at top and the nuggets at bottom.

[024]

from espn insider:

I've struggled to accept the idea that the 76ers would give away Iguodala, their best player, no matter how desperate they are to cut payroll. But in NBA front offices, the word is that he is very much available. Of course, Philly's hope is to get rid of the contract of Samuel Dalembert in such a deal.

A source told ESPN.com on Wednesday that the Houston Rockets have recently renewed discussions with the 76ers about a deal involving Iguodala and Dalembert for the expiring contract of Tracy McGrady. And as I reported above, the Suns have also entered the mix, offering Amare Stoudemire for Iguodala and Dalembert. The Cavs and Dallas Mavericks have explored Iguodala deals as well.

Slowing discussions at the moment is the fact that the Sixers really want to get some talent back in such a deal. The Rockets have players to offer, and the Suns might be willing to throw in Leandro Barbosa, I'm told.

So while the Sixers are motivated to move Iguodala, I think it's going to take more than an expiring contract to land him in the end.

against those offers, my hopes of acquiring iguodala is not high. spurs would have to pretty much give up hill/blair and maybe rights to splitter/1st round pick.

[MaNu4Tres]

from espn insider:


against those offers, my hopes of acquiring iguodala is not high. spurs would have to pretty much give up hill/blair and maybe rights to splitter/1st round pick.

Jefferson, Bonner, Mason Splitter and a 1st is the most I'd offer Philly for Iggy and Dalembert.

[Sobe_Kucks]

Wouldn't it be a kick in the nuts if we were only getting Beno and Ime back? That would make that pic in the other thread even more hilarious.

There was another thread about the announcer at Inside Hoops NBA forum but after reading through it for all of 2 minutes I had to come back to ST. That forum made me appreciate ST even more.

[timvp]

Parker, Finley
for
Andre Miller, + one of (Pryzbilla, Fernandez) or (Outlaw, Webster) or (Pryzbilla, Batum)

Why for POR? Get an all-star level youngish PG to go with their youthful core. Miller and Roy were having trouble coexisting; because Roy is Manu'ish in that he plays as a partial creator role at SG.

Why for SA? Miller + either a good youngster (Batum/Fernandez) + filler (pryzbilla - injured, might come back next year). or Miler + 2 decent wings. Any of the packages would improve our wing rotation without much of a downgrade at PG.

IF the FO thinks hes a bust, send Mahinmi along as well for the tax savings, and ask for rights to Victor Claver in return.

[pad300]

Worst trade proposal I've ever read ...

Trading a young, at times a top 5 pg, for an overpaid aging slow footed point guard and injured players who won't even help us this year.

Lets see.

Miller makes 6.7$ million/year, and has a PER of 17.1, WP/48 0.094, this year. Parker has a per of 17.0, WP/48 0.038, and makes 12.6 $ million. Sure, Tony's got PF, but he isn't likely to recover until next year. Also, it has been suggested that this years team would work better with a "purer" PG. Miller is much more of pure PG than TP.

Pryzbilla is filler. He's injured this year, but is historically a decent 7ft center. He's also expiring next year, same time as Jefferson.

Neither Batum nor Fernandez is currently injured. Both are young and on cheap rookie contracts. Both are much better than Finley/Mason/Bogans, and look as good as Jefferson.

This trade doesn't hurt us on talent this year, given TP's PF limitations.
This Year Miller = TP, Batum/Fernandez >>> Finley. Our wing rotation gets a LOT better, and we don't drop off much, if at all, at PG.

In the future, Miller < TP, Batum/Fernandez are really quite promising, it puts our promising youth team at Blair (PF), Hill (PG), Batum/Fernandez (Wing), Hairston (Wing). Also, we have to consider the potential expense and difficulties of resigning TP, when Duncan retires the same year. Can TP be the man when Duncan's gone?

Finally, if we include Mahinmi for Claver's rights, we get another prospect, and save approximately 1.5 million in lux tax, and roughly another .5 million in salary.

I'd suggest thinking these things through, before you run your mouth.

[Brazil]

Parker, Finley
for
Andre Miller, + one of (Pryzbilla, Fernandez) or (Outlaw, Webster) or (Pryzbilla, Batum)

Why for POR? Get an all-star level youngish PG to go with their youthful core. Miller and Roy were having trouble coexisting; because Roy is Manu'ish in that he plays as a partial creator role at SG.

Why for SA? Miller + either a good youngster (Batum/Fernandez) + filler (pryzbilla - injured, might come back next year). or Miler + 2 decent wings. Any of the packages would improve our wing rotation without much of a downgrade at PG.

IF the FO thinks hes a bust, send Mahinmi along as well for the tax savings, and ask for rights to Victor Claver in return.

Fortunately some spurs fans have a good sense of humor.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'd suggest thinking these things through, before you run your mouth.

With all do respect you should do the same. That proposal is full of fail.

[baseline bum]

ing Andre Miller?

[ElNono]

ing Andre Miller?

He dropped 52 on the Mavs in Dallas... no way we get him...

[slick'81]

miller and a bunch or crap for parker and finley now this thread is getting interesting

[bless1187]

man.... just announce it already: R. Mason Jr + M. Bonner + I. Mahinmi for T. Thomas + J. Pargo...

TP / JP
GH / MG
RJ / KB
TD / TT
AM / DB

[Muser]

Maybe the Kings announcer just said it because he knew SpursTalk would make a 20 + thread.

[admiralsnackbar]

Maybe the Kings announcer just said it because he knew SpursTalk would make a 20 + thread.

That crossed my mind, too.

[bless1187]

i was just thinking about it on why the Kings announcer would say that...

1.) he said that a back up PG and either a Forward or Big man - a trade that we haven't heard yet in the news anywhere, so he couldn't have picked it up from Hoopsworld.

2.) "back up PG" - you don't usually say "back up" PG unless you know the specifics.

3.) the fact that he said he wondered how it would affect rotations - means that the deal is pretty close to being finalized.

4.) i think the commentator used to be a assistant coach and another poster stated that he works in part of the Kings front office.

[K-State Spur]

Julian Wright is a small forward/wing/guard first and foremost. He is not a power forward by any means.

Julian Wright can guard 2/3's in the league.

We have different opinions. Leave it at that.

I'm not saying Julian Wright is the main reason I'd go for this trade, he has his faults just like any other player.

Reason why he would be an incentive is because of the low risk high reward in terms of his cheap rookie scaled contract and ceiling potential wise.

BTW Stromile Swift is a better comparison to a poor man's Tyrus Thomas.

Wright's got a subpar handle and no range on his jumper. He does his best work around the rim - so his best position is as a quick 4 (i.e. Sean Marion type) like he played in college.

Put Wright at the 2/3 and you're playing 4 on 5 offensively.

[HarlemHeat37]

The Kings announcer actually said that "the deal isn't official, but it's almost finalized"..he didn't word it exactly like that, but that was what he basically said..it's just strange that he would randomly say that..

If we're getting a wing player, he better be under 30 years old.. , if we're getting anybody, I hope he isn't older than 30..

[MaNu4Tres]

Wright's got a subpar handle and no range on his jumper. He does his best work around the rim - so his best position is as a quick 4 (i.e. Sean Marion type) like he played in college.

Put Wright at the 2/3 and you're playing 4 on 5 offensively.

You don't need great handles to play the wing position in the Spurs system. Ask Stephen Jackson and Bruce Bowen. Wright has range it's just not as consistent then again he is still 22.

His best position is small forward. It's Shawn Marion by the way.

His game is much like Donte Green's from Sacramento.

[Kindergarten Cop]

i was just thinking about it on why the Kings announcer would say that...

2.) "back up PG" - you don't usually say "back up" PG unless you know the specifics.

I thought about that too, but he could have just heard/read that the Spurs were trading for a PG and realize that there is really no possible way that we are trading for a PG better than Parker (hence, the "back up" designation).

[justinandimcool]

Hopefully the guys at TNT shed some light on this tonight.

[Gooshie]

The Kings announcer said back-up point guard and BACK-UP FORWARD as well.

[DPG21920]

Hill is consistent and has been all year. Fans like you don't understand certain concepts of certain systems with all due respect.

What is your definition of point guard?

People want to rant and rave and compare Hill or Parker to Stockton, Kidd, Mark Jackson, Chris Paul, Nash but the fact is those players were in different systems that allowed them to ALWAYS have the ball in their hands to make plays. Fact is there has been only a handful of TRUE point guards in the history of the league. I get tired of hearing fans say " Tony isn't a true point guard."

"Hill can't create for other's that well he's not a true point guard. Spurs need a true point guard."

The Spurs point guards don't have the luxury in having opportunities to put up Kidd/ Nash/ Paul assist numbers with Tim and Manu having equal responsibility in terms of play making.

Same with the Lakers system and Derek Fisher.

Same with the Cavs system Mo Williams.

Same with the Hawks system and Mike Bibby.

Same with the Orlando Magic and Jameer Nelson.


The " point guards" on those teams have different responsibilities than your teams that had systems in which their point guard was their best play maker and had the ball in their hands most of the time.

With Tim, Manu, Tony being efficient play makers on the Spurs the past 7-8 years, Hill shouldn't be guilty of such criticism.IMO He's done a very consistent and admirable job all year whether if it was starting at the 2 or backing up Parker or filling in for Parker in the starting line up.

I fail to see what this has to do with your premise being wrong. Also, lol at a "fan like me". This had absolutely nothing to do with what I said or my logic.

[ace3g]

Hopefully the guys at TNT shed some light on this tonight.

thinking the same same thing, going to watch the local SA news see if KSAT or WOAI sports guys know anything

[TD 21]

The notion of Thomas as a Spur has actually grown on me. His freakish athleticism, length, quickness, shot blocking ability and improving mid-range jumper, could all be assets on this team. Maybe the Spurs see a forward who can guard face-up four's/combo forwards as a bigger need than another center-sized big who can guard centers? Or maybe they'll take whichever they can get their hands on.

Pargo, we know the Spurs had interest in signing in the summer of '08.

I'm surprised though, that in this day and age where information is so readily available, that there's still nothing on this anywhere.

[lmbebo]

Not sexy... But this trade might work based on what I'm reading on here

Keyon Dooling and Jarvis Hayes/Boone + trade exception for RMJ and Mahini..