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Yes. Turiaf has been pretty bad this year but his contract isn't that horrible and his skillset and characteristics fit right in (good shotblocker, good passer, has a jumpshot, good guy, team oriented).
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yzbzgtc
Would you L.J?
Yes. Turiaf has been pretty bad this year but his contract isn't that horrible and his skillset and characteristics fit right in (good shotblocker, good passer, has a jumpshot, good guy, team oriented).
i have no confidence in this team bringing a star.... seriously lets says we bring a A. Iguoudola, i bet he's just gonna struggle like RJ since they are prolly gonna plant him in the corner and have him play the role of a M. FInley or B. Bowen.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yjjb46d
Throw in Splitter and/or a 1st round pick
I highlighted the McGuire part because most would just assume him a thrown-in or afterthought; I'm the resident McGuire honk and have lamented the Marcus Williams selection since the day they made it.
The first trade is actually my favorite one of the bunch I've come across; you get a much better fit in Iggy with his all-around game and defensive prowess and a legitimate deterrent at the rim. But I don't think they bite unless Tony's involved, which would be a HUGE gamble on the Spurs' end and would most likely end badly. (I'd do backflips or some seriously extreme yoga poses if they'd take RJ; he's not championship timber. Period.)
I'm not as high on Haywood as most, as I think he'd find his ass on the bench much too often now that Tim's slowed and not capable of getting out on the perimeter, but he'd help when the Lakers go jumbo or they face others that'll throw out two traditional 7-footers; there's no long commitment with his expiring contract, as well.
Neither will happen, though.
So don't play with my emotions.
Camby has to be one of the likeliest targets since the Spurs supposedly wanted him more than anyone else last year at the trade deadline. But it'll be difficult because last year's deal was built around George Hill going to the Clippers. This year, there's no way the Spurs include Hill in a deal for Camby.
Or at least I hope not.
R.J has had 5 months to make the most out of his touches. He simply can't create off the dribble. The only thing he does when he gets his touches is throw up an inconsistent jab-step jumper that usually hits the front of the rim becomes he fades away on every shot. Whether if he's open or contested.
Jefferson has poor footwork offensively and tends to pick up his dribble way too far away from the basket and takes long lethargic strides that are anything but strong.
Spurs don't throw him in the corner. The guy is just surprisingly limited with the ball in half-court sets.
Throwing Splittler in seems a little too much for what could very well be a 3 month rental of Camby. For whatever reason (the hype, having someone on the team named Tiago), I want to hold onto him in almost all the different trade scenarios.
I want to win now but the the risk / reward of giving up on Splittler makes it seem sensible to hold onto him.
This is probably the most likely scenario in my opinion.
When I heard the rumor (forward and a backup point) my initial thought was Turiaf and Watson. It'd take little more than Mason, Turiaf fits the mold and seems to have a good relationship with Tim and Watson's a throw-in that they do have some familiarity with.
As I said earlier in the thread, it'd be rather underwhelming (replace Watson with a healthy Bell and I'd be a little less underwhelmed) but I could see it happening.
I'm not high on Haywood either ( but he's an upgrade over Bonner and fills a need), the better part of me knows Pop would play him 20-25 minutes at most which would make his impact less significant if such a deal happened.
He would be best used against the Lakers like you said. But the Spurs might not even get that far with their consistency problems on the perimeter as a group. I still think Hill playing 35-40 minutes a night is too much for him and I still believe Spurs need to bring in an upgrade at the wing position instead of the Mason/Bogans/Finley combination. This addition would also relieve R.J and Hill's minutes to a degree and steal R.J's minutes every other game.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 02-05-2010 at 04:28 AM.
i would also be down for this... bell and turiaf are both defensive minded players. the injury to bell doesnt help but it could be worth a shot and he could turn into that perimeter defender we so badly need. turiaf has been ty but IMO that system is terrible for him. he is also a good shotblocker...and if it doesnt work out then who cares.
Yeah, we've been on the same page as far as team needs. But I really don't think they can find all they need in a player or two; those needs were assuming the foundation was still sound and strong from their championship past. Sadly, they've lost too much in terms of intangibles and "corporate knowledge" in the supporting cast for them to truly get where they need to be.
They're just an ill-fitted team in regards to the positions and skillsets of their best, most productive, and-or needed players after the Big 3.
I like Turiaf, but I'm just not in favor of getting Raja Bell at all..he just didn't impress me at all with Charlotte earlier in the season, he looked like he lost more than 1 step defensively..
It's tough to judge these potential trades though, since we don't know what all the realistic options are for the Spurs FO, and we don't know how they feel about the team compared to how us fans feel about it..
The Iggy trade is very, very unlikely IMO, but it would be a trade that would easily put us back into championship contention..that would qualify as a "blockbuster trade" though IMO, and I don't see the Spurs making a blockbuster..
Pop looked really disgusted with Jefferson tonight..they really have to believe that he just won't fit though, he's showing no progress with the team, his style just isn't going to mesh..I'd find it hard to believe that they aren't trying to shop him around, even though it would be difficult to move him..
Last edited by HarlemHeat37; 02-05-2010 at 04:47 AM.
Agree, there is no way I would trade Hill for Camby.
Spurs offer should be Mason + Bonner + Mahinmi + 2010 first round pick for Camby. I don't know if it's enough but if it isn't, Spurs should go after someone else. With Spurs having a quite bad record this year, their first round pick is a little more attractive than usual.
should be a very interesting couple weeks.... assuming we dont make a big splash and keep RJ... it will be a lot easier to unload him next season in the last year of his contract. maybe we take that into consideration...
whats going on with houston and mcgrady.... seriously unloading rj for mcgrady would be something i would consider lol. dont know how houston feels about tmac right now though
i forgot about turiaf. has he been injured or just buried on nelson's bench? he would be an excellent big to place next to duncan with his jumpshot, shotblocking, and post defense. i've even liked him on the lakers. his fire and endless energy can be contagious, just what the spurs need.
raja bell, i'm wary of because of his age and injuries. if it's a mason for bell straight up trade, then i say go for it. it's not like the spurs have anything to lose. expirings for turiaf and bell would be acceptable and might light a fire under the spurs defense again.
Yahoo! Sports reported that before the Clippers relieved Mike Dunleavy of his coaching duties, they told other teams that they would keep Marcus Camby if they were contending for the playoffs, and they would move him if they were not.
camby+butler for mason+bonner+ian
The bad thing about Camby is that if you thought the defensive rotations were slow now, they'd seem like lightening compared to Camby's rotations.
And that's if Camby decides to rotate.
something would need to change... go back to what we did with rasho and nazr... cant be any slower than that
He's also a poor pick and roll defender and an inconsistent man defender..
I'm not a Camby fan, but I would accept him on the Spurs and he would be an instant upgrade..he wouldn't be one of my top choices though..I do agree that he's one of the most realistic and likely candidates for a Spurs trade though..
It also looks like Joakim Noah is out for a few weeks, maybe longer, with PF, which can be a lingering injury, as we Spurs fans know..so looks like Tyrus Thomas probably won't be on the block anymore, at least not with any deal involving the Spurs..
camby would help the defense out tremendously.... still think we would need a better perimeter defender as well... hows rasual butler? i know the dude is not strong but hes quick and very long.. like a george hill with an extra 5 inches.....
bad thing about going with camby and 2 bigs like duncan and camby is it will ultimately slow this offense down to virtually how it used to be.... a lot more halfcourt sets....
didn't think of that, but yes, this one really make a lot of sense. I almost love it.
I wouldn't call Watson a trow in tough, I would think he is the cornerstone of the trade. he would in fact make a lot of sense for the Spurs in the current situation.
I think the story goes like this:
Spurs inquire about the price for Watson, Warriors answer is to also take Turiaf back for an expiring contract (maybe also a pick?), Spurs can offer a perfect package in Mason and Ratliff (or Ian, whatever they prefer)
Turiaf isn't a very good player, for sure overrated as defender, but he is an upgrade over Ratliff.
overall this trade isn't the big one, that takes us to the next level (which I still hope to happen), but it's a nice little trade with some upside and without give up much.
Watson would in fact be a very interesting addition. the guy has always been a bit underrated.
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