Big Picture Happiness

[z0sa]

Oh was that it? Too bad you bring up a whole new angle in this post than you did in that thread.

No, I didn't. You simply misunderstood what I said.

Anything else you misunderstood from our original exchange? Go ahead and bump it if it means this much to you. No reason to derail timvp's thread over one man's bitterness.

Its ok dude, you got owned (again). You're used to it by now, right?

Stating your opinion as a fact doesn't make it so

[z0sa]

btw why the lame "you got owned again you're used to it by now huh?" comment. You've got 33,000 posts and never been owned by anyone's count or measure, huh? You've rarely even spoken to me, much less argued enough to own me at anything. Whose ownage of me are you claiming, exactly? Lame comebacks a thing of yours, perhaps I should be laughing and brushing off a clear joke.

[Bigzax]

it's great when the big 3 are healthy...

but the real big picture is championship contention.

they may be healthy, but our defense is on it's last legs.

no defense. no championship. no happiness.

Help us RC1 Kenobi...you're our only hope.

[Cane]

I agree with the OP. And despite the poor 3-point shooting (which is supposed to be one of our strengths) and relatively poor defense in key situations (again another past strength); the away game came down to the wire and was well within grasp.

A loss is still a loss though - hopefully this adds more fuel to their fire.

[arakkus]

One other change I would like to pop to make at end of games is do a lineup of:

duncan mcdyess ginobili hill parker

Leave Jefferson on the bench at the end we want guys out there with energy. I don't mind him playing throughout the game and getting a few points but he is a waste at end of game. My money would be on Ginobili, Hill, or parker getting in there to get that loose rebound or play help defense or make that desperation shot over Jefferson anyday.

[z0sa]

make that desperation shot over Jefferson anyday.

Someone forgot Jefferson's gamewinner from a few games ago

[TD 21]

You're not clinging to hope but you haven't closed the door on a championship? What exactly does "clinging to hope" mean to you?

That's exactly what I've been saying. Show me anywhere that I said the Spurs don't have major issues. I've said multiple times being healthy in itself means nothing. Again, you are arguing against an opinion I haven't even stated.

So far you've gone after me for not giving up and supposedly having hope, when you yourself haven't given up and still have hope. Then your next move is to go after me for saying this team doesn't have major problems, which is something I didn't say. At least be based in reality. You are attacking your own opinions more than you are attacking anything I've actually said.



Wow.

First of all, more people disagree than agree with me in this thread. Second of all, how can I be shocked when I cued this upcoming flaming in the opening post of the thread?

Got damn.

He's not arguing with me ... I'm not exactly sure who he's arguing with. We actually agree on everything, as weird as that is.

I'm not clinging to hope in the least, all I'm saying is, mathematically, any team that makes the playoffs has a chance to win the championship. We know full-well that the Bobcats, Raptors, Bulls, Heat, etc. aren't going to win the championship, but we can't with 100% certainty say that. We can say there's about a 99.9% chance they won't, but not 100. I'd give the Spurs a slightly better chance than those teams, but not by much. You, on the other hand, are looking for silver linings after every game. How could anyone have been pleased or encouraged in any way about the Kings game? Yet, somehow you were.

There's a fundamental difference in this whole back-and-forth. While we both acknowledge that this team has problems, it seems you think they're fixable within' this season. Maybe internally, maybe with a trade (a realistic one). I no longer think that way. I don't see this as being fixable, I think what we see is what we get. Don't get me wrong, the front office should at least try to better the team in an attempt to squeeze out one last championship, but I don't think anything that can realistically be done in the relatively short time remaining in this season will change this teams fate.

I think you thought that if you threw in something like "cue the flaming", that you wouldn't actually get much flaming. You probably thought that would help ease the frustration, tension and anger many were feeling after the latest most embarrassing loss in a season filled with them. Then, I showed up, took you to task and it caught you off-guard.

[Leftyventricle]

TNT OT made me feel better:
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/tn..._inside_5.nba/

[TIMMYD!]

When I saw Webster standing at the three with 20 seconds left, I knew he was going to drain that .

[timvp]

I'm not clinging to hope in the least, all I'm saying is, mathematically, any team that makes the playoffs has a chance to win the championship. We know full-well that the Bobcats, Raptors, Bulls, Heat, etc. aren't going to win the championship, but we can't with 100% certainty say that. We can say there's about a 99.9% chance they won't, but not 100.

Outside of factoring in plane crashes, you can eliminate the championship chances of at least a few teams that make the playoffs. And even if you want to factor in unforeseen tradgedy, those teams would have about a 0.01% chance. You giving the Spurs a 0.5% chance means you think the Spurs have 50 times more than a "no chance" team ... which is indeed clinging to hope whether you want to admit to it or not.

There's a fundamental difference in this whole back-and-forth. While we both acknowledge that this team has problems, it seems you think they're fixable within' this season. Maybe internally, maybe with a trade (a realistic one). I no longer think that way. I don't see this as being fixable, I think what we see is what we get. Don't get me wrong, the front office should at least try to better the team in an attempt to squeeze out one last championship, but I don't think anything that can realistically be done in the relatively short time remaining in this season will change this teams fate.

Yet you were the one having emo flashbacks to championship DVDs after Manu missed that three. If you think a championship is an impossibility, why have such a wrist-cutting breakdown when no matter what happens, the Spurs are in the same boat? Since you claim to have completely given up (even if the chances you give the team don't add up to that claim), you shouldn't have been emotionally effected in the least.

I think you thought that if you threw in something like "cue the flaming", that you wouldn't actually get much flaming. You probably thought that would help ease the frustration, tension and anger many were feeling after the latest most embarrassing loss in a season filled with them. Then, I showed up, took you to task and it caught you off-guard.

Again, I question whether you took the time to read the thread. Plenty of people disagreed with me -- many with much harsher reactions than you. My issue with you is that you have been disagreeing with me in this thread on things I never claimed in the first place. It's difficult (and comical) to argue with someone who is arguing more with himself than anyone else.

I'd still like to know one thing we actually disagree on that you haven't invented out of thin air.


P.S.

If you think timvp shies away from being "taken to task" regarding his Spurs takes, you haven't been at SpursTalk very long and have never read a whottt back and forth.

[timtonymanu]

Should we really be using words like 'return' when it comes to Finley?..

He's going to be here forever..I won't be surprised if his jersey is retired and the Spurs change their logo to Fin's face..

if he gets his jersey retired before Bowen or even gets chosen over Bowen, i will personally go to SA and kick whoever approves that in the balls.

[TD 21]

Outside of factoring in plane crashes, you can eliminate the championship chances of at least a few teams that make the playoffs. And even if you want to factor in unforeseen tradgedy, those teams would have about a 0.01% chance. You giving the Spurs a 0.5% chance means you think the Spurs have 50 times more than a "no chance" team ... which is indeed clinging to hope whether you want to admit to it or not.



Yet you were the one having emo flashbacks to championship DVDs after Manu missed that three. If you think a championship is an impossibility, why have such a wrist-cutting breakdown when no matter what happens, the Spurs are in the same boat? Since you claim to have completely given up (even if the chances you give the team don't add up to that claim), you shouldn't have been emotionally effected in the least.



Again, I question whether you took the time to read the thread. Plenty of people disagreed with me -- many with much harsher reactions than you. My issue with you is that you have been disagreeing with me in this thread on things I never claimed in the first place. It's difficult (and comical) to argue with someone who is arguing more with himself than anyone else.

I'd still like to know one thing we actually disagree on that you haven't invented out of thin air.


P.S.

If you think timvp shies away from being "taken to task" regarding his Spurs takes, you haven't been at SpursTalk very long and have never read a whottt back and forth.

Let's not get into semantics; you get the point. You can't say with absolute 100% certainty that any team that makes the playoffs isn't going to win the championship because, technically, they all have a chance. If I were clinging to hope, why would I deny that I was? What would I have to gain by doing this?

emo flashbacks? For the umpteenth time, the championship DVD was just an example. I'm not comparing the two moments in terms of significance. I saw that Ginobili miss as symbolic of where this team is now and I'm not just talking about a slump or needing to turn the corner. Who said I was emotionally effected? It was an example that you either didn't get or blew out of proportion.

I'm not sure how you don't think that we're disagreeing; we are. You're clinging to hope, looking for silver linings, getting giddy over even highly unimpressive wins like the Kings game and still pulling this "believe" nonsense after every game, while I've accepted that, barring something drastic and unforeseen (and even then, it's unlikely), it's over. What's so hard to understand about that?

It's not hard to find out how long I've been at SpursTalk, genius. From what I've seen (I don't begrudge you of this if that's what you think, in all honesty, I enjoy reading your game thoughts generally, I'm just calling it like I see it), you're rarely taken to task and usually receive glowing remarks.

[Booharv]

This team is one "Bowenesqe" type perimeter defender, who like Bruce, can score enough to keep defenses honest, away from truly contending.

[timvp]

You can't say with absolute 100% certainty that any team that makes the playoffs isn't going to win the championship because, technically, they all have a chance.

The point is that you gave the Spurs a 0.5% chance of winning a championship. That is a better chance than anyone would give a team with no shot at a championship like the Bucks or whatever scrub team is at the bottom of the East's bracket. The difference between the 0.5% you give the Spurs and the standard "no chance" championship percentage of the Bucks is proof of you clinging to hope.

It's not really arguable. Math is saying you are clinging to hope. Unless you want to say the Bucks have a 1 in 200 chance of winning the championship or you want to go back and lower the Spurs' percentage, there's nothing to argue.

If I were clinging to hope, why would I deny that I was?

Uh obviously so you don't look like a hypocrite for saying timvp is clinging to hope while you yourself are clinging to hope.

I'm not sure how you don't think that we're disagreeing; we are. You're clinging to hope

Link?

, looking for silver linings,

One lineup related silver lining. Got another link or are you just basing it off that one thread?

getting giddy over even highly unimpressive wins like the Kings game

Link?

and still pulling this "believe" nonsense after every game

So one word has you this butthurt?

while I've accepted that, barring something drastic and unforeseen (and even then, it's unlikely), it's over. What's so hard to understand about that?

The question is what is so hard for you to understand that I've repeatedly said the same thing. You are trying to argue with me about something I agree with you about. It's weird, honestly.

It's not hard to find out how long I've been at SpursTalk, genius.

Not everyone begins posting on SpursTalk the day they find the forum, pal. Some people *gasp* read first. Then again, seeing how you've failed to do much reading before jumping into this thread, I should have assumed better.

I apologize.

From what I've seen (I don't begrudge you of this if that's what you think, in all honesty, I enjoy reading your game thoughts generally, I'm just calling it like I see it), you're rarely taken to task and usually receive glowing remarks.

I don't know what's more comical: that hypothesis or the fact that you arrived at it after being on SpursTalk for a couple of weeks. Don't feel special because I've responded to your waywardness in this thread -- it's actually quite the common occurrence.

[barbacoataco]

Spurs problems IMO-
1- Parker is playing injured. Since he has been there most consistent player the last couple of years this is huge. Ginobili is also diminished.
2- The RJ trade has so far been a disaster. His defense isn't there and his offense is hit and miss.
3- The defense is not good enough. The loss of Bowen is key here.

Possible fixes-
1- Hope Parker gets healthy.
2- Hope Jefferson gets better as the season progresses. Who knows, he has been streaky in the past.
3- Hope McDyess continues to improve on the defensive end, Hill can improve on the perimeter D, and also if Parker was healthy, his defense would be better.
I always have faith.

[Slippy]

The way Tony and Manu looked should be positives of this thread. They both looked great out there and healthy . Parker was hitting his jumper with confidence, while Manu was attacking the rim and finishing like we're used to.

[Leetonidas]

Some Spurs fans are such whiny pussies. Get over it gots, it's just a ing game. And stop whining and jumping off a cliff already, it ain't April yet.

[vander]

Bonner's hand getting better

we'll start winning left and right once he starts hitting the 3 again and getting 15-20 minutes a game

[TD 21]

The point is that you gave the Spurs a 0.5% chance of winning a championship. That is a better chance than anyone would give a team with no shot at a championship like the Bucks or whatever scrub team is at the bottom of the East's bracket. The difference between the 0.5% you give the Spurs and the standard "no chance" championship percentage of the Bucks is proof of you clinging to hope.

It's not really arguable. Math is saying you are clinging to hope. Unless you want to say the Bucks have a 1 in 200 chance of winning the championship or you want to go back and lower the Spurs' percentage, there's nothing to argue.


Uh obviously so you don't look like a hypocrite for saying timvp is clinging to hope while you yourself are clinging to hope.

Link?

One lineup related silver lining. Got another link or are you just basing it off that one thread?

Link?

So one word has you this butthurt?

The question is what is so hard for you to understand that I've repeatedly said the same thing. You are trying to argue with me about something I agree with you about. It's weird, honestly.

Not everyone begins posting on SpursTalk the day they find the forum, pal. Some people *gasp* read first. Then again, seeing how you've failed to do much reading before jumping into this thread, I should have assumed better.

I apologize.

I don't know what's more comical: that hypothesis or the fact that you arrived at it after being on SpursTalk for a couple of weeks. Don't feel special because I've responded to your waywardness in this thread -- it's actually quite the common occurrence.

I just threw out a random number to make my point and here you are, like the championship DVD example, completely blowing it out of proportion and over-analyzing it.

Despite what you may think, I'm not clinging to hope. I'm not an odds maker, but yes, technically, if the Bucks qualify for the playoffs, they have a chance. The Spurs percentage should be lowered, but you get my point; you're just flat out being argumentative.

I don't need a link; just go back and re-read all your game thoughts, particularly the Kings game. Or how about this very thread?

Again I refer to your Kings game thoughts.

We don't agree and I'm not sure why you think we do. Unless I missed something, I don't recall you ever saying that this was not a championship team and I'm not just talking about currently.

I didn't begin posting the day I found the forum either, but you can still see when I began posting, so you should at least have some kind of idea around when I came to this board. Oh my god, you mean I didn't read every last word in a long, drawn out thread? I read enough to see your ridiculous take and that's all that matters in this case.

Why would I feel "special" talking to some random person on a message board? Get over yourself.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

ehhhh we need a miracle