Official Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

[HarlemHeat37]

Chieflion's concerns are legit and he makes good points..it's all relative though..there aren't many realistic options that could give us off-ball production offensively + defense, unless we could somehow get a blockbuster for Iguodala, which won't happen..

[Dro210]

Thomas suspended one game

By Nick Friedell
ESPNChicago.com

Chicago Bulls forward Tyrus Thomas has been suspended for one game for conduct detrimental to the team.


Thomas, who earlier in the season was sidelined seven weeks with a broken left forearm, will miss Saturday's contest against the Miami Heat at the United Center.


The team did not give specifics on the reason for the suspension.


"It's unfortunate," Bulls coach Vinny Del Negro said. "It's an internal matter. [Bulls GM] Gar [Forman] and myself will handle it. We've got to focus in on the game [Saturday night] and try to find a way to play better in the last few games to get a win."

Thomas' suspension is another blow to a team that had lost three straight and was already short-handed up front for Saturday's game, with Joakim Noah sidelined by plantar fasciitis in his left foot that is expected to keep him out until after the All-Star break.


"It's unfortunate timing, but in the short run there's a responsibility," Del Negro said. "No one player is bigger than the team, and there's a responsibility to do things right. And I think by handling the situation the right way, which I think we are, I know we are. It's not one person. It's a group. And you have to be committed to your teammates, your coaches, the organization. That doesn't go just for Tyrus. It goes for everybody. The guys know how things run around here. That's how it's going to be."

Asked about the suspension, Bulls veteran guard Lindsey Hunter suggested the 23-year-old Thomas may still have some growing up to do.


"Life is full of trials and tribulations," Hunter said. "If you get frustrated every time you have [a problem] then you're going to live a pretty frustrated life.


"We all have areas in our life we need to grow up in. As long as you realize it and you constantly work on those things, eventually you conquer your own demons. I think that's a battle within he has to work on."


Thomas is averaging 8.5 points and 6.2 rebounds over 25 games in his fourth season

Don't know if anybody has seen or posted this...

but it's well known that Ty has been unhappy with his playing time. (and who could blame him?) With Noah out until after the break, EVERYBODY expected him to see the floor more. Last night it didn't happen, Brad Miller got the start and the extra minutes. He obviously voiced his opinion on it once again, and they suspended him for it...

This makes me think the probability of him being moved goes up quite a bit.

That Thomas/Salmons deal is lookin real good right about now!

[Blackjack]

He's bent because he felt he lost the job due to injury. Gibson's been playing well for them which makes Tyrus more expendable than ever.

It's funny, I suggested this trade months ago as being the type of package that Manu would bring back (something I wouldn't have pulled the trigger on), so if the Spurs can get them for their expirings, that'd really be some ..

[exstatic]

Don't know if anybody has seen or posted this...

but it's well known that Ty has been unhappy with his playing time. (and who could blame him?) With Noah out until after the break, EVERYBODY expected him to see the floor more. Last night it didn't happen, Brad Miller got the start and the extra minutes. He obviously voiced his opinion on it once again, and they suspended him for it...

This makes me think the probability of him being moved goes up quite a bit.

That Thomas/Salmons deal is lookin real good right about now!

Delusional Spurs fans make me laugh. You think Pop is going to be salivating over acquiring a player that mouths off to the coach when he doesn't get minutes?

[MaNu4Tres]

Like I stated, we needed a playmaker, and I saw Salmons play just now, he can create, but he also needs the ball, well you need the ball to create. RJ can't create, I thought that was obvious right from the start of the season. We don't need Salmons to jack up 3s though, I think Rose's emergence made him handle the ball less, making him less efficient. I think his situation is quite similar with RJ but it is obvious he can do the job better.

You need the ball to create yes.

But situations where Tony and Manu penetrate and kick out to a corner or up top to a player in the triple threat position is where our offense would improve. Usually this happens and Mason/Bogans/ Finley/ Jefferson are the recipients of the pass. They are then forced to attempt a bad shot as the clock is winding down because they can't create an efficient opportunity for themselves or others from the triple threat position.

As you notice from the thread... http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145650 ...our perimeter players struggle significantly against good teams ( hence our 11-20 record against teams over .500). Because those teams play better defense than the lottery teams. ( More aware and quicker on rotations, close out to our shooters quicker and with more discipline, recover quicker, contest better, ect.)

These situations is where Salmons could help.

Same could be said whenever Tim has the ball inside and kicks out because of a trap or double team.

[Dro210]

Yea, ok buddy....

If you can't see how much better those 2 guys would make this team, I feel sorry for you.

[Chieflion]

You need the ball to create yes.

But situations where Tony and Manu penetrate and kick out to a corner or up top to a player in the triple threat position is where our offense would improve. Usually this happens and Mason/Bogans/ Finley/ Jefferson are the recipients of the pass. They are then forced to attempt a bad shot as the clock is winding down because they can't create an efficient opportunity for themselves or others from the triple threat position.

As you notice from the thread... http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145650 ...our perimeter players struggle significantly against good teams ( hence our 11-20 record against teams over .500). Because they play good defense. ( Rotate quicker, recover quicker, contest better, ect.)

These situations is where Salmons could help.

Same could be said whenever Tim has the ball inside and kicks out because of a trap or double team.

Agree. I didn't come here to say Salmons sucks or what not. That wasn't my intention. I lobbied for him last season.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Don't know if anybody has seen or posted this...

but it's well known that Ty has been unhappy with his playing time. (and who could blame him?) With Noah out until after the break, EVERYBODY expected him to see the floor more. Last night it didn't happen, Brad Miller got the start and the extra minutes. He obviously voiced his opinion on it once again, and they suspended him for it...

This makes me think the probability of him being moved goes up quite a bit.

That Thomas/Salmons deal is lookin real good right about now!

The scary thing about this though is now knowing how Thomas reacts to having his playing time limited (if that is the reason for the issues and the resulting suspension). With Pop's tendencies to fluctuate lineups combined with how easy it is to find your way into Pop's doghouse, why on earth does this not spell disaster if he were to find his way onto our roster?

[HarlemHeat37]

Thomas' suspension is the reason I don't think we'll get him..

His relationship with VDN is probably shaky, so if Pop asks Vinny for an opinion(which he probably would), then it probably wouldn't be flattering for TT..

[Chieflion]

Thomas' suspension is the reason I don't think we'll get him..

His relationship with VDN is probably shaky, so if Pop asks Vinny for an opinion(which he probably would), then it probably wouldn't be flattering for TT..

I still dislike Tyrus Thomas. I think there is something seriously wrong with him when he cannot beat out rookie Taj Gibson for minutes and Brad Miller.

[exstatic]

Yea, ok buddy....

If you can't see how much better those 2 guys would make this team, I feel sorry for you.

You just don't understand the Spurs AT ALL if you think there is even .0001% chance that they get a bonehead like TT.

Pop's requirement is that a player "get over himself". You have to be about team, not your touches or shots or minutes. TT is way too immature to do anything but sit in Pop's doghouse. A player like that generally won't come around until they get done with their rookie deals and they have to go begging hat in hand for a contract.

[exstatic]

The scary thing about this though is now knowing how Thomas reacts to having his playing time limited (if that is the reason for the issues and the resulting suspension). With Pop's tendencies to fluctuate lineups combined with how easy it is to find your way into Pop's doghouse, why on earth does this not spell disaster if he were to find his way onto our roster?

Thomas' suspension is the reason I don't think we'll get him..

His relationship with VDN is probably shaky, so if Pop asks Vinny for an opinion(which he probably would), then it probably wouldn't be flattering for TT..

I still dislike Tyrus Thomas. I think there is something seriously wrong with him when he cannot beat out rookie Taj Gibson for minutes and Brad Miller.

See? I'm not the only one that sees this, Dro.

[MaNu4Tres]

With Pop's tendencies to fluctuate lineups combined with how easy it is to find your way into Pop's doghouse, why on earth does this not spell disaster if he were to find his way onto our roster?

Pop's tendencies to fluctuate the lineups have more to do with the quality of our roster 8-15. There's not much of a drop-off in talent anywhere from 8-15. It's easy for any coach to fluctuate line-ups with the situation Spurs have now.

But if that trade is made, the quality of our roster improves from 1-9 significantly, opposed to the quality our roster has 1-7 now.

If the trade goes down then there's a significant drop-off talent wise from 10-13. Therefore playing time for certain players would be a much easier decision from the coaches stand-point.

[Dro210]

I just think Spurs fans are too quick to jump on people's character (way more-so than the team itself).... I don't see Thomas as a bad guy. He's 100% right about his situation. I remember him in college, and I remember him against the C's last year. That guy LOVES to win.... and Chicago is a better team when he plays.

Here, if he couldn't find his way to significant minutes, which I think he could definitely do. He'd understand what he was brought in for, this is a fresh start, not the team that took him in the lottery where he expected to start and become a star.... He'd be playing on a better team, behind better players than he is now if he did sit. I like what Gibson has done, but he's not better than Thomas. Miller is a vet and he can spread the floor, but he's not close to Thomas. It's crazy to me that Chicago didn't embrace the Noah/Thomas frontcourt and run with it.... They could be the best defensive team in the league with the right coaching and discipline.

[Chieflion]

I just think Spurs fans are too quick to jump on people's character (way more-so than the team itself).... I don't see Thomas as a bad guy. He's 100% right about his situation. I remember him in college, and I remember him against the C's last year. That guy LOVES to win.... and Chicago is a better team when he plays.

Here, if he couldn't find his way to significant minutes, which I think he could definitely do. He'd understand what he was brought in for, this is a fresh start, not the team that took him in the lottery where he expected to start and become a star.... He'd be playing on a better team, behind better players than he is now if he did sit. I like what Gibson has done, but he's not better than Thomas. Miller is a vet and he can spread the floor, but he's not close to Thomas. It's crazy to me that Chicago didn't embrace the Noah/Thomas frontcourt and run with it.... They could be the best defensive team in the league with the right coaching and discipline.

All of these may be true. But you don't have to be a big idiot and demand playing time for everyone to hear.

[Dro210]

Did he say it in the media (what he got suspended for today)?.......... No, this was a behind the scenes

I don't like Paxson as a GM, or Del Negro as a coach... so imo, if the Spurs base their opinion off those guys, that would be a mistake.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Pop's tendencies to fluctuate the lineups have more to do with the quality of our roster 8-15. There's not much of a drop-off in talent anywhere from 8-15. It's easy for any coach to fluctuate line-ups with the situation Spurs have now.

But if that trade is made, the quality of our roster improves from 1-9 significantly, opposed to the quality our roster has 1-7 now.

If the trade goes down then there's a significant drop-off talent wise from 10-13. Therefore playing time for certain players would be a much easier decision from the coaches stand-point.

I don't disagree with anything you've posted here, but my point after reading it I suppose is that Thomas may not be able to cement himself as one of the players ranked 1-9 in your formula/scenario. I could be wrong, because I admittedly do not watch him play on a nightly basis. I would be willing to live with the deal if it brought us Salmons though.

[MaNu4Tres]

Here, if he couldn't find his way to significant minutes, which I think he could definitely do. He'd understand what he was brought in for, this is a fresh start, not the team that took him in the lottery where he expected to start and become a star.... He'd be playing on a better team, behind better players than he is now if he did sit.

This...

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't disagree with anything you've posted here, but my point after reading it I suppose is that Thomas may not be able to cement himself as one of the players ranked 1-9 in your formula/scenario.

I'm starting to become a huge homer on the proposed Salmons/ Thomas deal.

It would help the team on both ends of the floor and make our team extremely versatile. It would be a significant upgrade and a change of such could just be what the Spurs need to compete with the top teams and give them a chance.


Parker 32-37 minutes
Salmons 25-30 minutes
Jefferson 28-33 minutes
Tim 33-38 minutes
McDyess 20-25 minutes

Manu 26-31 minutes
Hill 24-29 minutes
Blair 20-25 minutes
Thomas 18-23 minutes

Very solid 9 man rotation that consist of players that are anything but one dimensional. Our 48 minute attack would be efficient on both ends and would be more so of an "48 minutes of " for the opposition.

Bogans -DNP unless foul trouble or an injury
Ratliff- 10-15 minutes against LA or DNP's unless foul trouble or an injury
L. Hunter- DNP unless Hill injury or inactive list
Hairston- DNP unless foul trouble or injury or inactive list

What would the trade take now?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yfs3dzr

A first round pick and or Splitter?

I think in order for Bulls to really consider it, the Spurs would have to throw in a 1st rounder and Splitter. Would you do it?

[lurker23]

I like the idea of Salmons + Pargo. I agree that personality issues likely keep the Spurs from going after Thomas.

Here's a question for everyone. Let's assume for a second that the only trade the Spurs pull off is for Salmons and possibly Pargo, Bonner is involved in that trade, and the Spurs make no further trades to get big men. Given that personnel, here are the three options I see Pop having rotation-wise:

1. Extended minutes for a 3-man rotation of Duncan/McDyess/Blair.
2. More minutes for Ratliff and/or Mahinmi (assuming Mahinmi isn't dealt, and, let's be honest, it'll be Ratliff of the two.)
3. Increased small ball (and let's be honest with this one too- #3 will be part of the equation).

If this is how it turns out, will you be happy with the outcome?

[Chieflion]

Did he say it in the media (what he got suspended for today)?.......... No, this was a behind the scenes

I don't like Paxson as a GM, or Del Negro as a coach... so imo, if the Spurs base their opinion off those guys, that would be a mistake.

Look, you injured yourself and you are out for 7 weeks, do you earn the minutes back with your play or mouth off to your coach? Heck, the coach may be even trying to ease you back into the rotation, but you had to be an idiot and say some bad things to get yourself suspended.

[Dro210]

Look, I get it, it's not the best way to get things done, that's obvious.

And, he wasn't easing him back into ...

Thomas came right off the injury, I mean RIGHT OFF IT, first games back, and had 3-4 super productive games with good minutes.... then they put him right back when he now.

Makes no sense.

[MaNu4Tres]

I like the idea of Salmons + Pargo. I agree that personality issues likely keep the Spurs from going after Thomas.

Here's a question for everyone. Let's assume for a second that the only trade the Spurs pull off is for Salmons and possibly Pargo, Bonner is involved in that trade, and the Spurs make no further trades to get big men. Given that personnel, here are the three options I see Pop having rotation-wise:

1. Extended minutes for a 3-man rotation of Duncan/McDyess/Blair.
2. More minutes for Ratliff and/or Mahinmi (assuming Mahinmi isn't dealt, and, let's be honest, it'll be Ratliff of the two.)
3. Increased small ball (and let's be honest with this one too- #3 will be part of the equation).

If this is how it turns out, will you be happy with the outcome?

I wouldn't personally. We don't have a need for Pargo, especially when Salmons comes in and starts at the 2. Hill is perfectly fine playing back up point guard 10-15 minutes a night.

I'm so tired of fans complain about him because his game is not like John Stockton or Jason Kidd's. Hill has been our best back up point guard than anybody the Spurs have had in the past 15 years. Give the guy a break. We don't need another point guard. Unless he's a 3rd string insurance policy incase of an injury on the inactive list.

I think this situation improves the Spurs more.

I'm starting to become a huge homer on the proposed Salmons/ Thomas deal.

It would help the team on both ends of the floor and make our team extremely versatile. It would be a significant upgrade and a change of such could just be what the Spurs need to compete with the top teams and give them a chance.


Parker 32-37 minutes
Salmons 25-30 minutes
Jefferson 28-33 minutes
Tim 33-38 minutes
McDyess 20-25 minutes

Manu 26-31 minutes
Hill 24-29 minutes
Blair 20-25 minutes
Thomas 18-23 minutes

Very solid 9 man rotation that consist of players that are anything but one dimensional. Our 48 minute attack would be efficient on both ends and would be more so of an "48 minutes of " for the opposition.

Bogans -DNP unless foul trouble or an injury
Ratliff- 10-15 minutes against LA or DNP's unless foul trouble or an injury
L. Hunter- DNP unless Hill injury or inactive list
Hairston- DNP unless foul trouble or injury or inactive list

What would the trade take now?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yfs3dzr

A first round pick and or Splitter?

I think in order for Bulls to really consider it, the Spurs would have to throw in a 1st rounder and Splitter. Would you do it?

[timtonymanu]

I dont like Ty Thomas. people get frustrated with Ginobili's carelessness, imagine Thomas. they are gonna be asking for Thomas to be traded right away. like chieflion said ty thomas is immature. we dont need him.

IF we can get Joakim Noah, then yea but that aint happening cause hes their 2nd best player.

[Ice009]

Is Tyrus Thomas about winning???


SJax is one of my all time favorite players and people don't like his at ude, but he is about winning. Not sure you can say that about TT.

I dont like Ty Thomas. people get frustrated with Ginobili's carelessness, imagine Thomas. they are gonna be asking for Thomas to be traded right away. like chieflion said ty thomas is immature. we dont need him.

IF we can get Joakim Noah, then yea but that aint happening cause hes their 2nd best player.

I'd be looking at this too. If you guys are hating our execution now then it could be a lot worse with a low Bball IQ player like Tyrus Thomas.

He really is NOT a Pop kind of player, not even close, but we did try to trade for JR Smith at one time so you never know what Pop is thinking. I think it would come down to whether or not Pop likes his talent and skills enough to take a gamble.