I had not seen this post. Good breakdown, but I'm still reluctant because of his alleged at ude issues.
I know you weren't necessarily talking about me, but I'm far from a Hill hater. The more minutes for him, the better. The two reasons I think Pargo might be a good fit:
-Bringing him in as a back-up PG allows Hill to focus more on being a SG, which seems to be his long-term position.
-We will need more three-point shooting if we trade away 2 or even 3 of Bonner/Finley/Mason.
Hill is the same player whether he plays PG or SG. Just because he plays PG isn't going to make him play like Jason Kidd all of a sudden. And just because he plays SG, isn't going to make him play like Joe Johnson all of a sudden. He is who he is. His position won't alter his game. His game is his game. And his game is capable to play both. He will still get his P &R opportunities from both PG and SG and he will still get his corner three and spot up opportunities from both positions. There isn't really nothing to focus more on being an SG. Unless it's on the defensive side of the ball, which he has already been guarding opposing 2 and 3's for two years now.
I would much rather a scenario where Hill continues backing up Tony 10-15 minutes a game and then provides 15-20 minutes a game at the wing and us flopping Mason and Finley for an improvement at the 2/3 spot that could start and take the minutes from the Mason/Finley/Bogans combination as well as R.J when he's struggling.
If we trade Bonner out, Spurs need a big man in return that can play. If they got Salmons and Pargo for Bonner and Mason it would put a dent in our depth in the front court and wouldn't improve our team. imo
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 02-06-2010 at 11:26 PM.
I don't consider TT a "bad guy", which is a different issue. He's just a monumentally immature kid and wouldn't fit here. This isn't a babysitting service. He also isn't going to magically grow up. A player like this needs a humbling experience, like not having his option picked up, or being cut or waived. Getting traded to a good team would only validate his skewed sense of his value.
It's GOT to be a pretty severe immaturity issue, though, if the Bulls are ready to move him already.
I just think Paxson thinks he's too much of a hard ass, disciplinarian...
He wouldn't even let B-Wall wear his headband that he's worn his entire career.
I think a change of scenery for Thomas would be great for him. I'm not gonna say either of us are right or wrong, neither of us truly know the situation. We just bring different perspectives.
LOL seriously?..B-Wall? LOL..I just think Paxson thinks he's too much of a hard ass, disciplinarian...
He wouldn't even let B-Wall wear his headband that he's worn his entire career.
I think a change of scenery for Thomas would be great for him. I'm not gonna say either of us are right or wrong, neither of us truly know the situation. We just bring different perspectives.
Hahaa, is Big Ben the correct nickname? or is it just Ben Wallace... maybe Benjamin? lol
Big Ben. Definitely not B-Wall
The need for a 3rd point guard has more to do with the need for Hill to play extended minutes at SG than it does for Hill's play at PG. He is decent as a back up PG. He is bad ass as a starting SG.
the whole thomas fiasco in chi is just embarrassing. they drafted aldridge, and end up trading him for thomas. thomas plays great in the playoffs last year, breaks his arm early in the season, comes back and instantly contributes, putting up great numbers and helping spark a winning streak that saves vinny's job. flash foward to now, he is getting little playing time behind a rookie, and just got suspended for a game.
i personally think thomas is worth the chance, and has a chance to have a good career ahead of him in the correct situation, and the current situation in chi gives us a great chance to make a play at both him and salmons
Yea, his real name is Craig. He ain't Speedy no more
LOL that Craig really threw me off man, NEVER heard him called that before in my life...
I don't think he's hurt, but he hasn't logged serious NBA minutes for the past few years though. Just something I threw out since he played for SA before.
Man, I really just don't see how Camby would help. Yeah, he blocks shots but the rest of his defense is such garbage. And there's no way Duncan and Camby or mobile enough to close out games. He'd basically be a half season rental who wouldn't necessarily be an upgrade from what the Spurs currently get next to Duncan.
A trade for Camby would change the Spurs defensively ... but wouldn't make them necessarily better on that end. I'd be fine trading for Camby if the deal is expirings and something like a second round pick. Giving up any real asset for Camby? Meh, it'd probably be a mistake. Camby isn't the difference between the current squad and a championship.
And that's not even mentioning his ugly midrange jumper AKA the automatic momentum killer.
Well I've never pushed a Camby trade and I'm not real interested in one now.
Glad we didn't trade Hill for him.
I haven't changed my feelings about Camby..
He's a very good shot blocker and help defender that can't defend 1 on 1 or defend the pick and roll, but he could still help this team IMO..I wouldn't give up anything of value for him, but I would still take him if there aren't any better options..
Personally, I don't want any more old guys on the team, but it all depends on the options..Camby is near the end of my list, but he's on the top 15 realistic list..
I wouldn't have any real feelings about getting him..
Last edited by HarlemHeat37; 02-07-2010 at 02:44 AM.
He's a good help defender if it involves rotating to the basket. But he's an absolute horrible help defender when it comes to rotating out on the perimeter. Most of the time he won't even try to make the correct perimeter rotation ... and even when he does, it's basically two steps and a hand up. Only an unmotivated Shaq rivals Camby when it comes to being a worthless perimeter help defender.
I agree with that, I meant help defender at the rim, which is why I lumped it with shot blocker..
While Denver did improve personnel-wise after he left too, they definitely got better defensively since they got rid of Camby's undisciplined defense..it's part of the reason I'm still bitter that he got the DPOY over Duncan..it kind of killed the whole DPOY award in general for me and showed that the voters don't even actually judge it, they just looked at stats(although D12 is definitely worthy)..
What was salt in the wound after Tim getting snubbed for DPOY in favor of Camby, was seeing KG getting rewarded for having basically the same type of season Tim had the year prior; Tim's year was actually better in terms of MVP and DPOY, imo.
Definitely..I didn't have any problem at all with KG winning it, but Duncan did that for years and years without getting the award..I guess that's what you get for playing in Boston..
Tim's been arguably the best defensive player of his era and Bruce was arguably the best perimeter defender of his, and had they played in Boston, LA, New York or Chicago, they'd both have the appropriate hardware.
I'll always be a little bitter that those two didn't get at least one DPOY and that all those chicken bas s from the '03 USA Team bailed out on Tim and left him to man that ill-conceived team in '04 that came away with the Bronze.
If that team that played down in Puerto Rico had manned up and came to Athens with Tim, he would have had that Gold he should've had in '00; people seem to forget how dominant that team was against Argentina and others in '03 (they had Argentina down almost 30 at half, IIRC).
A Ty Thomas + Salmons deal is such a lateral move. The point of getting Thomas is maybe he guard Dirk but probably wont be that much better than what we have. Alright well Thomas is an athlete who can dunk, rj has had plenty of highlight real dunks this season hasn't improved us. Come playoff time I guarantee Mcdyess will be a better option.
Salmons is nice player who can score a little but I don't think r offense will improve by a whole lot and it certainly wont change how teams just work their way in the lane and get high percentage shot against r D.
If we can't get anyone else and Camby is available just before the trade deadline then I would take him for expiring contracts only.
If he was available right now for the same expiring contracts I would say no and look for a better deal.
Clippers wouldn't accept that. Therefore a trade for Camby ( which would take a 1st round pick at least) wouldn't be wise.
Clippers wouldn't accept that. Therefore a trade for Camby ( which would take a 1st round pick at least) wouldn't be wise. Especially with the progress McDyess has made the past 2 weeks.
So who do you think Spurs should target at the deadline?
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