Official Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

[timvp]

So who do you think Spurs should target at the deadline?

That's a good question. None of the names right now really excite me. Camby? Meh. Haywood? Doubt he'd grasp the system in time. Salmons? I'd probably rather just give Hill the minutes. Ty Thomas? Pop would hate him about five minutes into his first practice.

I need to search around for some trade ideas I actually like . . .

[Blackjack]

Trade deadline is rapidly approaching and nothing except for a Kings announcer has come out about the Spurs making a move.

The Spurs are really in a stuff spot, imo.

As I've stated on more than one occasion, they're not winning as is and I don't see any of these proposed moves putting them over the top (barring a Gasol-like deal). But with Tim's play and the knowing that it may never be at this level again and Manu's uncertainty moving forward, it'd be hard to just stand pat and not make an effort to improve your team and give them as good a shot as possible.

The most appealing trade to me (of the ones that are relatively feasible), is Salmons-Thomas because it addresses two points of weakness and has the potential for a good upside; Salmons would easily upgrade the wing with his all-around play and Thomas is someone that could be a real difference maker on a given night (he brings another skill set and option to the table that they can ride when hot, depending on matchups)

It also won't kill them financially and it gives them an opportunity to see if they can use them next year, as well.

Standing pat just doesn't make sense to me under the cir stance; Salmons-Thomas does (if doable).

Edit - Thomas' next contract and option is in the balance and seeing as he's nothing more than a one, two-year rental on his current contract, his boneheaded-ness would probably be curtailed to a good degree (not to mention the respect he's displayed for Tim and the change of environment giving hope during a short stay).

[DPG21920]

We all know (and hopefully the Spurs FO thinks so as well) that they cannot win as is. The question is do you make a move like a Camby knowing it might not be the right fit and get you over the top, or do you decide to dump contracts and start to rebuild? Do you consider moving Manu or TP and blowing it up or trying to move one of them with the hope you can get a piece back that can help them win now?

[Obstructed_View]

That's a good question. None of the names right now really excite me. Camby? Meh. Haywood? Doubt he'd grasp the system in time. Salmons? I'd probably rather just give Hill the minutes. Ty Thomas? Pop would hate him about five minutes into his first practice.

I need to search around for some trade ideas I actually like . . .

I'm just waiting for someone to suggest a trade for a big that's better than the guy sitting on the bench who knows the system. I'd actually settle for one of the lesser names if there were some guarantee they wouldn't lose PF/C minutes to Finley or Jefferson down the stretch of the season.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't see the problem with taking a risk on a trade for a guy that won't hurt the Spurs from a long-term perspective..none of the trades we've discussed involve players that are on bad contracts, so the Spurs taking a risk wouldn't affect the future..

Giving up Splitter could affect the future though, so it depends on the deal..

[Blackjack]

I'm not a huge fan of Camby and his fit on the team, I just don't see how another aircraft carrier plays alongside Tim extended minutes, but I think you've got to be open to it if it doesn't cost you more than expirings and a first-rounder; acquiring Camby shouldn't be close to a no-brainer, first option, imo.

I actually think the dealing of Tony might be their only chance of keeping the window open moving forward. But it's hard to see it really working out in reality.

Tim obviously isn't going anywhere and there's just no feasible trade that nets the Spurs a gain in dealing Manu. So, theoretically, Parker's the only guy you could move for the requisite talent, at another position and maybe in the form of a couple of players, that allows the team to be better off than they were with Tony; the thinking being, Hill at the reins is serviceable and could be enough to get the job done next year, if he's got Tim, Manu and another star that could supplant Tim, Manu or both in the pecking order.

Sadly, I just think the window for this Big 3 is closed and unless they can pawn off RJ for a player that can truly supplant one or two of them in the pecking order, a Parker trade would be a necessary evil.

But, again, this is the theoretical; finding the right player or players to pull off such a move would be nearly impossible.

I'm not even sure the Spurs and the front office would have the stones to pull off such a move, even if they believed they might have found the right scenario (it'd have to be a complete no-brainer in my view).

[Leetonidas]

no to Camby, dude is ing washed up. Every game we've seen him play against us Sean constantly points out how he is always swiping down at the ball instead of trying to block the shot. His DPOY award is a joke.

[objective]

I don't know, maybe expirings for Jared Jeffries? Has this been discussed before? Because I'm too lazy to look.

Knicks clear capspace, and the Spurs get a long SF to use for defense who doesn't need the ball in his hands unlike RJ.

Yeah, I'm grasping at straws.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm not a huge fan of Camby and his fit on the team, I just don't see how another aircraft carrier plays alongside Tim extended minutes, but I think you've got to be open to it if it doesn't cost you more than expirings and a first-rounder; acquiring Camby shouldn't be close to a no-brainer, first option, imo.

Yep, not like the Spurs haven't won les with guys like Robinson, Mohammed, and Nesterovic...

I actually think the dealing of Tony might be their only chance of keeping the window open moving forward. But it's hard to see it really working out in reality.

The obvious one to trade is Manu, as much as it pains me to say it. Find some marginal contender in the east that doesn't quite have enough to get it done, and see what you can pry away. He's got a cap friendly expiring deal and will likely be overpaid this summer.

[MaNu4Tres]

The Spurs are really in a stuff spot, imo.

As I've stated on more than one occasion, they're not winning as is and I don't see any of these proposed moves putting them over the top (barring a Gasol-like deal). But with Tim's play and the knowing that it may never be at this level again and Manu's uncertainty moving forward, it'd be hard to just stand pat and not make an effort to improve your team and give them as good a shot as possible.

The most appealing trade to me (of the ones that are relatively feasible), is Salmons-Thomas because it addresses two points of weakness and has the potential for a good upside; Salmons would easily upgrade the wing with his all-around play and Thomas is someone that could be a real difference maker on a given night (he brings another skill set and option to the table that they can ride when hot, depending on matchups)


It also won't kill them financially and it gives them an opportunity to see if they can use them next year, as well.

Standing pat just doesn't make sense to me under the cir stance; Salmons-Thomas does (if doable).

Edit - Thomas' next contract and option is in the balance and seeing as he's nothing more than a one, two-year rental on his current contract, his boneheaded-ness would probably be curtailed to a good degree (not to mention the respect he's displayed for Tim and the change of environment giving hope during a short stay).

This.

[Flux451]

Who is attainable that is a great outside shooter, not a smuck and plays great defense?

[5in10]

^ I like that idea hopefully they could throw in some kind of sweetener as well .For jeffries that is.

[Agloco]

Who is attainable that is a great outside shooter, not a smuck and plays great defense?

[Blackjack]

Yep, not like the Spurs haven't won les with guys like Robinson, Mohammed, and Nesterovic...

There's absolutely no comparison other than height to those situations. Tim could legitimately defend the four back then and he's was arguably the most dominant player in the league.

If they're to add another 7-footer, he had to be able to guard the 4 adequately and-or compliment Tim in a really advantageous way for the team offensively; The Rasho's and Nazr's of the world wouldn't be capable of playing the role they did in past years. Tim's aged and the league's changed.

The obvious one to trade is Manu, as much as it pains me to say it. Find some marginal contender in the east that doesn't quite have enough to get it done, and see what you can pry away. He's got a cap friendly expiring deal and will likely be overpaid this summer.

I've yet to see a trade that would make the Spurs better over the next two years that involved Manu (one that would even pass the sniff test, anyway).

[Slinkyman]

I don't know, maybe expirings for Jared Jeffries? Has this been discussed before? Because I'm too lazy to look.

Knicks clear capspace, and the Spurs get a long SF to use for defense who doesn't need the ball in his hands unlike RJ.

Yeah, I'm grasping at straws.

I don't know about Jeffries, he wasn't the one guarding LeBron last night when he dropped 35 in the first half was he? Regardless we'd be doing the knicks a huge favor in taking Jeffries contract and giving them cap space. They'd have to throw in a young player for me to take that deal.

[timvp]

I don't know, maybe expirings for Jared Jeffries? Has this been discussed before? Because I'm too lazy to look.

Knicks clear capspace, and the Spurs get a long SF to use for defense who doesn't need the ball in his hands unlike RJ.

Yeah, I'm grasping at straws.

Jeffries is a horrible offensive player and an extremely overrated defensive player. He practically does nothing better than Bogans yet has a player option next season for $7 million. No thanks.

[HarlemHeat37]

Jeffries is one of those "Chris Wilcox guys" that always looks to have potential to fans that don't watch him on a regular basis..those types of guys always have people that want them because they SHOULD be better than they actually are..

Living in NY and watching most Knicks games, I'll tell you first-hand that Jeffries is garbage..

[5in10]

Well I'd hope they would throw in gallo or Chandler

[TD 21]

Based on what I read (and what BlackJack quoted) in Hoopshype today, it appears Thomas' stock has fallen off so much that the Bulls would be happy to take whatever expiring contracts they could get for him just to get rid of him. Clearly, he's a knucklehead and a malcontent, but the Spurs are probably one of the few teams with a legitimate shot at getting through to this guy.

His numbers are solid (mainly the shot blocking and the mobility/length to defend mobile four's is what has me intrigued) and he's arguably a top five athlete (definitely top ten) in the league, so to be able to potentially acquire him for Bonner and Finley (with Pargo also likely coming back to balance the salaries) would be well worth it. The Spurs wouldn't lose anything of significance (Finley would probably get bought-out and re-sign) and they'd get essentially a free look at potentially a key player going forward. If they don't like what they see, they could attempt to package him in the off season or just renounce his rights outright. If this is doable, then I see it as a no-brainer.

Amongst the bigs, this would solve the rotation issue. If the Spurs pair Bonner with Blair, then they lack a center sized big/rim protector. If they pair Ratliff with Blair, then they lack shooting. But if they pair Thomas with Blair, while they'll still lack a center sized big, they'll have a rim protector and shooting (Thomas is an improving mid-range shooter).

[xtremesteven33]

Tyrus Thomas cant get minutes on a young squad with a inexperienced coach.

Imagine trying to get minutes with a veteran team and an anal coach. Besides, I dont see him getting consistent minutes behind Duncan/Mcdyess/Blair/Ratliff especially come playoff time

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm always of the belief that any "knucklehead" would fit with the Spurs..Thomas isn't a bad guy in the sense that he actually goes out and does stupid ..he's just immature and needs guidance in the league..

If you give him Tim Duncan, Antonio McDyess and Theo Ratliff as mentors, I think you'll see some improvement in his game and mentality IMO..also, despite the current struggles, the Spurs are probably the most respect organization in the NBA..I doubt we'll see the same situation..

With that being said, I still don't think Pop would take him on, but I would love it nonetheless..

[timvp]

I like Thomas as a long-term project. But he wouldn't help this season.

[TD 21]

I'm always of the belief that any "knucklehead" would fit with the Spurs..Thomas isn't a bad guy in the sense that he actually goes out and does stupid ..he's just immature and needs guidance in the league..

If you give him Tim Duncan, Antonio McDyess and Theo Ratliff as mentors, I think you'll see some improvement in his game and mentality IMO..also, despite the current struggles, the Spurs are probably the most respect organization in the NBA..I doubt we'll see the same situation..

With that being said, I still don't think Pop would take him on, but I would love it nonetheless..

Yeah, I'm not convinced the Spurs could reign in everybody automatically, but I do think they'd have at least as good a chance as anybody else. I'm not overly worried about his at ude/immaturity, moreso his lack of a high basketball IQ. But it's not like he'd come in and play 30 mpg. Most likely, we're talking about a 15-20 mpg fourth big. He and Blair would be the best backup big duo in the league, even if they are undersized.

Pop would be an idiot not to, considering what it reportedly would take to acquire him. Potentially Bonner is all (maybe a 2nd round pick get's thrown in). If it meant sacrificing a 1st round pick, or even a guy like Mason, I could understand having pause, but Bonner and Finley (who'd like be back in 30 days)? It's a no-brainer because Bonner wouldn't be in the rotation if Thomas were acquired anyway.

I like Thomas as a long-term project. But he wouldn't help this season.

I'm not so sure about that. He's long, active, quick and athletic enough to give the types of mobile four's that routinely burn the Spurs fits. He strikes me as the type of player who'd play with a chip on his shoulder after being traded too. With his physical tools, if he came with that type of mindset/motivation, I think he could be useful immediately.

[HarlemHeat37]

Based on your comments in this thread regarding a deal, I don't think anybody that could be realistically acquired would really satisfy you in a trade IMO, timvp..

[timvp]

Based on your comments in this thread regarding a deal, I don't think anybody that could be realistically acquired would really satisfy you in a trade IMO, timvp..

I've liked some of the smaller trades such as the Bell and Turiaf package. And I like Thomas if the Spurs are looking at next year. But a big trade that would help the team this year without sacrificing too many assets? I don't see one I like yet.