Does anyone remember when....

[himat]

You guys keep pulling out these stats when you fail to realize that a bigger aspect of the game is leading a team. Tony Parker isn't the best player on his team. he isn't even the second best player on his team (Ginobili is).

Steve Nash, for all his failures on defense, lead his Suns team.

Chauncey Billups, not Carmello, is the true leader of the Nuggets team that is currently 2nd in the Western Conference.

Derrick Rose was the leader of that Bulls team that almost upset the former world champs...as a ROOKIE.

Chris Paul is the leader of the Hornets franchise.

Deron Williams is the leader of the Utah Jazz.

even Rajon Rondo might be the leader of the Celtics now the way the Big Three are deteriorating before our ways.

Tony Parker plays 3rd fiddle on his team. I don't know if he is good enough to accomplish what these other PG's have done on less talented teams. And don't give me this Bonner, Finley, scrub crap. You guys won 4 championship for a reason. Again give me a break.

[DJB]

Pink this man one time.

[FkLA]

Parker is not TOP 5...you'd be a fool not to take Deron, CP3, Rondo, Billups, and Nash before him. Rose is arguable, although honestly Id still take Parker over him at this point in time. Also Parker is a bad shooter and a bad defender especially this season, kind of dumb to knock Rondo and Nash about those things when Parker has those struggles as well. I never agreed with the notion that this was Parker's team last season, this team always has been and always will be #21's as long as he's playing because to me being the best player on the team entails that you have the biggest overall impact...the defense even while hobbled still depended alot on TD and he was still a significant part of the offense last year. As for this season, its clear that its Tim Duncan's team.

[Leetonidas]

Actually Nash's MVPs were very much earned. You put Tony Parker on that 2006 Suns team and they're in the lottery. Nash took a Suns team that was held together by chewing gum and scotch tape to the Western Conference Finals and was very compe ive with the Mavs. That's MVP material in my book.

Also Parker never destroyed Nash in the playoffs. Nash was putting up 25 points and 10 assists and shooting a ridiculously high percentage in the 2005 WCF. Shawn Marion was the one who pulled a Houdini and got destroyed by Ginobili in that series. And the Spurs had such a high respect for Nash's abilities Parker wasn't even guarding Nash a lot of the time in those playoff series. It was Bowen.

Also, it's nice to point to Parker's 3 rings and all but honestly 2007 was the first time Parker ever completed a le run without having his point guard duties stripped from him as a result of choking. In 2003 the Spurs turned to Speedy Claxton. In 2005 when Billups was eating Parker's lunch they not only put Bowen on Biillups they stripped Parker of his PG duties and had Ginobili and Brent Barry doing the honors. So yeah, Parker has 3 rings but it wasn't like he was dominating the compe ion out there.

Thanks for taking my bait man, although I wasn't aiming for a Rockets fan.

[TD 21]

Sorry but I think I could name 5 maybe even 10 PG's that could make the Spurs better than Tony Parker.

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Brandon Roy (unless you consider him a SG)
4. Chauncey Billups
5. Derrick Rose
6. Rajon Rondo
7. Steve Nash

That's in no particular order, but I think at best Tony is a top 5.

If we're calling Roy a PG, then we're calling James, Wade and Bryant PG's too because, they're all de facto PG's. I wouldn't even call Evans a PG, even though the Kings are pretending he is.

I love how Rose, on the basis of two good months and the fact that he projects to be better than Parker, is automatically placed ahead of him by many it seems. Let's just forget Parker playing out of his mind in the second half of last season, the Finals MVP, years of steady play in which he's increasingly gotten better, etc.

Rondo is a better all around player, but until he can at least not be a liability as a jump shooter and show that he can carry his team on his back for an extended stretch (and no, he has not done this yet), I don't see how he can be placed ahead of Parker.

Paul and Williams, I'd definitely put ahead of Parker. Billups and Nash, there's certainly an argument for, but Parker is at worst the fifth best PG in the league. Billups is simply having a career year though. I doubt he keeps up this current level of play. I actually think he's been overrated the past few seasons and now that he's having an outstanding season people are pretending like he's played at this level all along. Not true.

However you order them, it's clear that those are the top seven PG's in the league.

[spursfan09]

Damn this is random. It's like people were just waiting for TP to consistently play below his usual level so they could rag on him. Anyway, this isn't TP's best season. He's injured and tired right now. For a while there he was considered the Spurs best player. Don't really care when people say TD>>>>>>TP, because , they're both on our team anyway. And I know people like to have the TP vs any other pg in the leauge argument, but the truth is alot of pgs have bigger names, but TP has always held his own against the other pgs in the leauge. The only one who ever gave him consistent trouble was Marbury, and well he's not even relevant anymore.

[Frank Lucas]

lol how many re ed Parker fans have come in this thread and said "You can't judge Parker for this season, 2008-2009 is the only season that matters"

[spursfan09]

lol you re ed anti parker fans judging him based on this season alone. How covenient.

[Frank Lucas]

lol you re ed anti parker fans judging him based on this season alone. How covenient.

This season his numbers are nearly identical to his career numbers. I'm judging him by his career numbers, you're judging him by one fluke career season.

[Killakobe81]

I for one never bought this argument ...TP was great in the Finals and even started last year on fire ...
BUT ANYONE who thinks TP HAS EVER been the MVP, or better player or more key to Spurs le hopes or the rings you guys have ... are idiots ...
TP is a border-line All-star PG
TIM is still the best big man in the NBA ...

[spursfan09]

I for one never bought this argument ...TP was great in the Finals and even started last year on fire ...
BUT ANYONE who thinks TP HAS EVER been the MVP, or better player or more key to Spurs le hopes or the rings you guys have ... are idiots ...
TP is a border-line All-star PG
TIM is still the best big man in the NBA ...

I agree TD is >>>> than TP. especially this season. Not much to say for TP except that he has not been himself. Not the same speed, and he's obviously hurt and tired.

[spursfan09]

This season his numbers are nearly identical to his career numbers. I'm judging him by his career numbers, you're judging him by one fluke career season.

No, if you followed him, you know that he's not himself this season. Not my fault you don't watch tp enough.

[Frank Lucas]

No. He is up there and is incredibly important, but TP carries the offense all around.

Yeah I agree, them dropping 111 on Denver last night was all him.

[DPG21920]

Yeah I agree, them dropping 111 on Denver last night was all him.

Told you that you were butt hurt. Frank " guzzler" Lucas.

[Frank Lucas]

Told you that you were butt hurt. Frank " guzzler" Lucas.

ROFL why would i be butthurt? Last night proved my point even more.

[DPG21920]

*Gargle**Gargle********Gargle

[Frank Lucas]

I can't counter the point Frank Lucas is trying to make so I'll change something he said in hopes of changing the subject

[Frank Lucas]

I'm not gonna post in this thread anymore cause I have no way of explaining how the Spurs score 111 points without the player who does "everything" for them on offense

[DPG21920]

Lakers are rolling teams without Kobe, so Derrick Rose>Kobe because his team is mediocre in the East.

[Frank Lucas]

Lol resorting to strawman arguments because your favorite player is overrated and you're butt hurt about it.

[DPG21920]

I resort to strawman arguments because I don't have a point and I am butt hurt about it.

[Frank Lucas]

How was I resorting to a stawman argument?

[ClippersDynasty]

And in Tony Parkers fluke career year last year the Spurs managed to get all the way to, a first round exit and one ing playoffs victory

[jcrod]

And in Tony Parkers fluke career year last year the Spurs managed to get all the way to, a first round exit and one ing playoffs victory

Yeah because all the other PG's would've done better with a team consisting of
Mason
Finley
Bonner
Duncan - Hobbled by knee all year

This was his team last yr and took them to 54 wins. Manu was hurt all yr, Bowen, Ime and Kurt Thomas coming off the bench. Yeah, but he sucks.

Clipper and Knick fan, do you have a PG that's better? Yeah no one, at least this team has someone who we can put in the argument as top PG. There were numerous articles outside SA that were writing about TP. But yeah we're homers.

[Frank Lucas]

Clipper and Knick fan, do you have a PG that's better? Yeah no one, at least this team has someone who we can put in the argument as top PG. There were numerous articles outside SA that were writing about TP. But yeah we're homers.

Baron Davis > Tony Parker, but no my Knicks don't have anyone better.