David Aldridge on Manu Ginobili

[ElNono]

Why would they? So you are saying there was definitely no official offer?

Why would they what?

[ElNono]

You said "your argument sucks because in the years we did not win, Tim was getting paid to not help"...and you brought up Diop.

And BTW, I brought the Diop argument because it's exactly the same as the Vujacic argument. It's a re ed argument. When healthy, there's no way what happened happens.

[Bruno]

I still don't see where's the whining...

- He was asked about his contract situation.
- He said he's disappointed that the Spurs didn't offer and extension and that he'll take a look at his options in June.

Where's the whining exactly?

That's whining.
Maybe you didn't like the childish side of the word whining. You can call that complaining if you like it more but it's the same thing.

[DPG21920]

Why would they resume negotiations when they made an offer and he chose to his country over his team?

[ElNono]

Why would they resume negotiations when they made an offer and he chose to his country over his team?

Maybe you can't read. They never made an offer. They walked away during conversations. There was no offer at the time.

[DPG21920]

Maybe you can't read. They never made an offer. They walked away during conversations. There was no offer at the time.

You are sure of this? Because I have heard differently. Can someone else confirm this?

[ElNono]

That's whining.
Maybe you didn't like the childish side of the word whining. You can call that complaining if you like it more but it's the same thing.

Saying that he thought the Spurs would make an offer is whining? Whatever, Bruno.

My point stands. If you hold against him having injuries then you have to hold it against Duncan too. Which is entirely stupid, IMO. These are guys that left it all out there for the franchise, no questions asked.

Heck, I don't think the Spurs should offer him anything up until after the trade deadline either. Makes business sense.

[DPG21920]

Also, at the maybe you can't read comment. Can you read Manu's comments and not see he is whining?

[ElNono]

You are sure of this? Because I have heard differently. Can someone else confirm this?

Google is your friend: http://nba.fanhouse.com/2008/09/04/d...ct-in-beijing/

[baseline bum]

And BTW, I don't hold anything against Duncan... he is a warrior and gave us all he could give us. Same for Manu in the series against NO in 2008, when he was already injured.
like this happens. Players get banged up and injured. I'm not going to hold it against them because they left it all out there for the team.

It's not like were talking about a fluke injury with Manu; if it was, no one in his right mind would want to lose him. His body is consistently breaking down now, and it's a pretty good bet to get even worse with age. Manu's athleticism hasn't looked good all season, and his stamina is awful even in pretty limited minutes now. Every few games we'll see him look like the old Manu, but overall his production is far from being worth $10.7 million.

[ElNono]

Also, at the maybe you can't read comment. Can you read Manu's comments and not see he is whining?

I make translations for his site all the time. I read him in Spanish, and I don't see him whining. You see what you want to see, I guess.

[ElNono]

It's not like were talking about a fluke injury with Manu; if it was, no one in his right mind would want to lose him. His body is consistently breaking down now, and it's a pretty good bet to get even worse with age. Manu's athleticism hasn't looked good all season, and his stamina is awful even in pretty limited minutes now. Every few games we'll see him look like the old Manu, but overall his production is far from being worth $10.7 million.

No doubt. And as I said many times, there's no way the FO should offer anything at least until after the trade deadline. That said, I'm not going to hold against him getting injured. I mean, if you want to hold against him 2009, then I could see where you're coming from. But 2008? The guy left it all out there for the team.

[Bruno]

My point stands. If you hold against him having injuries then you have to hold it against Duncan too. Which is entirely stupid, IMO.

If it's your point, then I don't know why you talk to me because I've never hold against Manu his injuries.

[ElNono]

If it's your point, then I don't know why you talk to me because I've never hold against Manu his injuries.

That's entirely my point, and comes from this post:

The main reason Spurs lost against Lakers was Manu being owned by Sasha freaking Vujacic.

I don't give a if a player is great for a couple of playoffs series. Spurs' goal is to win the championship, not to reach the WCF.

[timvp]

And I'm going to be ready to change teams if I have to

That's whining or being a baby or whatever you want to call it. If he said that this coming offseason or last summer, that's one thing. But to openly talk about changing teams in the middle of a season in which both he and the team are underachieving ... that's just lame. If the Spurs were steamrolling and Manu was on fire, it might be somewhat tolerable. Right now? He should be 100% concerned with the here and now.

Luckily for Manu he's the most popular player in Spurs history so he won't catch much heat. Plus, on top of being the most popular, he's also probably the most likable and he gives great effort, so no one will think he's slacking off to protest his contract. But seriously, now is not the time to be complaining or even talking about not getting an extension. I can't remember any Spurs player ever doing something like this ... and now isn't the time to start.

The Spurs made it clear they were willing to bribe him with an extension if he skipped the Olympics. He decided against it. Now the Spurs are doing the smart thing and not committing money to him until at least the trade deadline.

[DPG21920]

That does not say there was never an offer. That says negotiations were taken off the table. There could have still been an offer by the Spurs to which Manu's agent wanted to counter.

[ivanfromwestwood]

manu is full of . he sounds all butt hurt that he hasnt got extended. does he really expect the spurs to GAMBLE on him being healthy. people that gamble play the odds and the odds say that manu will continue to decline and will most likely get hurt again.

[DAF86]

It's not like were talking about a fluke injury with Manu; if it was, no one in his right mind would want to lose him. His body is consistently breaking down now, and it's a pretty good bet to get even worse with age. Manu's athleticism hasn't looked good all season, and his stamina is awful even in pretty limited minutes now. Every few games we'll see him look like the old Manu, but overall his production is far from being worth $10.7 million.

Name another serious injury that Manu has had besides this ankle one.

[timvp]

Name another serious injury that Manu has had besides this ankle one.

The stress fracture was on the opposite ankle.

[Bruno]

That's entirely my point, and comes from this post:

How this post says that I'm holding injuries against Manu?

[DAF86]

The stress fracture was on the opposite ankle.

Because of the original injury.

[ElNono]

That's whining or being a baby or whatever you want to call it. If he said that this coming offseason or last summer, that's one thing. But to openly talk about changing teams in the middle of a season in which both he and the team are underachieving ... that's just lame. If the Spurs were steamrolling and Manu was on fire, it might be somewhat tolerable. Right now? He should be 100% concerned with the here and now.

Luckily for Manu he's the most popular player in Spurs history so he won't catch much heat. Plus, on top of being the most popular, he's also probably the most likable and he gives great effort, so no one will think he's slacking off to protest his contract. But seriously, now is not the time to be complaining or even talking about not getting an extension. I can't remember any Spurs player ever doing something like this ... and now isn't the time to start.

The Spurs made it clear they were willing to bribe him with an extension if he skipped the Olympics. He decided against it. Now the Spurs are doing the smart thing and not committing money to him until at least the trade deadline.

Context, LJ, context. That quote you posted is extracted from this:

Justo a mí me involucraron en un cambio directo con Phoenix por Stoudemire, pero no le veo el negocio para ninguno llevarse un jugador por 6 meses que en julio quedará libre.

Repito, no sé qué puede pasar, estoy abierto a todas las posibilidades. Si me tengo que ir de San Antonio no me molestará cambiar, lo hablaré con mi esposa (por suerte lo mellizos no van a opinar... todavía) y evaluaremos las posibilidades; sí me va a doler dejar atrás una historia de ocho años en esta ciudad, donde siempre estuve muy a gusto.

which translated means:

I was just involved in a trade rumor for a direct swap for Stoudemire with Phoenix, but I don't see the what's the good deal to get a player for 6 months that's going to be a FA in july.

I repeat, I don't know what will happen, I'm open to all possibilities. If I have to leave San Antonio I'm going to be ready to change teams if I have to, I'll talk about it with my wife (luckily the twins have no opinion... yet) and we'll evaluate the offer; It will definitely hurt me to leave behind a 8 year story with this city, where I have always been very comfortable.

[ElNono]

That does not say there was never an offer. That says negotiations were taken off the table. There could have still been an offer by the Spurs to which Manu's agent wanted to counter.

Doesn't matter. Spurs walked off. Straight from the horse's mouth too.

[timvp]

"It's different," Ginobili said. "I was in this situation after my second year in the league, when I was a free agent. But I didn't think it was going to be at this point. But now it will and now I've got to make up my mind. And I'm going to be ready to change teams if I have to"...

I repeat, I don't know what will happen, I'm open to all possibilities. If I have to leave San Antonio I'm going to be ready to change teams if I have to, I'll talk about it with my wife (luckily the twins have no opinion... yet) and we'll evaluate the offer; It will definitely hurt me to leave behind a 8 year story with this city, where I have always been very comfortable.[/I]

Those look like entirely different quotes.

[MB20]

Shut up and play. Enough articles already about exploring free agency.
Manu: If reporters ask you anything about contract negotiations, give them the Pop look and walk away.
Whatever happens during free agency, everybody will be fine.