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    richard jefferson is attacking the rim? when?

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    Yeah, Haislip is not playing in Euroleague and not making a nice showing of post plays and long range shots (at a bargain i might ad). It's just pure imagination.
    yeah cause Haislip really worked out here. He could have been an all star player. Clear example of someone who overrates another player.

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    richard jefferson is attacking the rim? when?
    well he defintley attacked more than any other player in the 2nd half

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    Go where? Do you expect them to waive him? Making a trade takes 2 teams and you think another team is going to give you a quality player for RJ's contract that isn't expiring and with how he's playing?

    Think before you post.
    Why not if it's a really bad team with multiple terrible contracts for quality talent.

    I.E. The golden state warriors who have

    nearly 30 million tied up in just three players with contracts that last at least 5 years.

    I'd think a 2 year 14 million dollar contract looks good compared to a 5 year contract at 11 million per year.

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    jefferson has lost confidence just take this if you were playing a pick up game and found yourself open but the ball does not come your way then don't you think your just going to say it I don't give a if we win that why he has no confidence cus the team has no confidence in him

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    well he defintley attacked more than any other player in the 2nd half
    I saw him go to the basket maybe 3 times in the 2nd half...

    1 time he stopped short of going up hard and threw a hook over gasol from about 7-8ft.

    2nd time he actually made a nice pass to blair

    3rd time he thought about it, stopped himself, nobody on the lakers stopped him, thought 'oh , i dont want this, what if i miss'... and kicked it out hot potato style like a 7th grader on the developmental team who's scared and doesn't even want the ball in his hands... to bogans who clanked the 3.

    and even that is the most I've seen him attack the rim in the year 2010.

    He's mentally weak as tissue, and not even the good kind, that ty generic kind that you blow holes in... and he's letting it all pile up on him, so he's getting worse and worse. He wasn't the guy we needed to begin with, but now he's just a cancer.

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    RJ or Marion???

    At least u don't have Marion for 4 more years
    Marion costs less than half as much money and provides similar production.

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    Marion costs less than half as much money and provides similar production.
    As disappointing as RJ has been, I'd much rather has RJ and his contract than Marion and his contract. At least RJ is tradeable.

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    As disappointing as RJ has been, I'd much rather has RJ and his contract than Marion and his contract. At least RJ is tradeable.
    Where do you see him landing if we even do try trading him? I honestly can't see what teams would be ok with bringing him on after what he's shown with us.
    Do you think any other contenders would be interested in bringing him in off the bench possibly?

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    As disappointing as RJ has been, I'd much rather has RJ and his contract than Marion and his contract. At least RJ is tradeable.
    I'd rather have Marion as a player than RJ. But regardless, your point is well-noted.

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    Where do you see him landing if we even do try trading him? I honestly can't see what teams would be ok with bringing him on after what he's shown with us.
    Do you think any other contenders would be interested in bringing him in off the bench possibly?
    He's tradeable in that his contract has less than one and a half seasons remaining and he's still capable of playing a role. I doubt a team would target him but a team with a bad contract wouldn't mind getting RJ's contract in return.

    If the Spurs wait until this time next season, a huge expiring contract is quite valuable ... especially with a pending lockout.

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    Is there a rule in the NBA that states that if you are being paid 14 millions you authomatically HAVE to play 33' against an elite team?

    Or that you have to consider salaries when deciding the lineups?

    Jefferson is a problem, but a bigger problem is the guy that plays him

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    I couldn't see straight for a week when they traded for RJ. Unfortunately, he's not the reason their losing. It is painfully obvious that Timmy and Manu can no longer carry this team. Coupled with the pathetic defense, they were set up to fail since day one. I never thought I'd say this, but I actually miss Oberto and K. Thomas.

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    I couldn't see straight for a week when they traded for RJ. Unfortunately, he's not the reason their losing. It is painfully obvious that Timmy and Manu can no longer carry this team. Coupled with the pathetic defense, they were set up to fail since day one. I never thought I'd say this, but I actually miss Oberto and K. Thomas.
    He may still work for another team in a different system (suns, warriors, knicks) but it's obvious the guy lacks the ethic to play D, attack the rim, or play through adversity. In a Run N Gun team I have no doubt he would light it up, but in a system that requires all cogs of a machine to be turning together, he just isn't the right kind of player. To put it all on him is wrong, the FO should have known this was not a good fit

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    I wonder if the players are affected mentally by the way RJ has turned out. Here they were probably expecting RJ to become the "Big 4"...instead he's probably as good as Keith Bogans...

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    I think it's obvious they're effected by it.... the whole teams confidence is down right now and you can tell. Plus it's gotten to a point where they're almost (especially Tony) freezing him out. He's open a lot, but Tony will put up the contested shot. I don't know if it's cause he doesn't think he'll make the shot, doesn't think he deserves the shot with his lack of effort everywhere else, or they're just trying to make a point to Pop to get him the outta here.

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    Jefferson misses Kidd.

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    Jefferson misses Kidd.
    And I miss the spurs without this scrub.

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    People forget that Jefferson didn't come to the Spurs on his own -- he just got traded.

    Most players talk about finally having a chance at a ring when they get to SA.

    RJ seemed ambivalent from the start. It's just another stop for him.

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    And I miss the spurs without this scrub.
    At least Udoka was playing Hard last season

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    dude gets paid 14 million a year and can't make a damn freethrow. Every time he goes to the line I know that at least one of them aint going in. He es to much too. I'm sick of him crying to the refs every time he gets bumped. Every time he's "aggressive" it seems he doesn't know what to do with the ball. So he just throws it up and cries so he could get a foul.

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    jefferson is a disappointment no doubt but he's just a convenient scapegoat for spurs fans. the real problem lies in the continuing declining of the big 3 and the perpetual problem of a serviceable bigman next to duncan. spurs have been declining since ginobili's injury in 2008 and continued in 2009. jefferson's arrival just happens to coincide with 2010, the third year of the spurs' decline.

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    He doesn't look like he's in great shape.

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    jefferson is a disappointment no doubt but he's just a convenient scapegoat for spurs fans. the real problem lies in the continuing declining of the big 3 and the perpetual problem of a serviceable bigman next to duncan. spurs have been declining since ginobili's injury in 2008 and continued in 2009. jefferson's arrival just happens to coincide with 2010, the third year of the spurs' decline.
    RJ isn't just a scapegoat...he's freaking a HUGE part of the problem. He was suppose to come in to share the burden of the offense and hold his own on defense. Instead he's done nothing.... We have a 3 headed monster this year:

    -RJ sucking balls
    -Lack of big man for interior D
    -POP's erratic coaching

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    RJ isn't just a scapegoat...he's freaking a HUGE part of the problem. He was suppose to come in to share the burden of the offense and hold his own on defense. Instead he's done nothing.... We have a 3 headed monster this year:

    -RJ sucking balls
    -Lack of big man for interior D
    -POP's erratic coaching
    jefferson's stats are respectable for a fourth option. he's scoring 12 points, on 45% FG, 35% 3PT (his career level). he's soft on defense i'll give you that and he's not supposed to be the first, second, or even third option in the fourth quarter. that is reserved for ginobili, parker, and duncan. they are the ones who fail to execute in the fourth quarter. you can't blame the spurs meltdown during compe ive games solely on jefferson. it's the big 3's responsibility to carry the team while jefferson chips in, not the other way around.

    jefferson is very disappointing but not as disappointing as the spurs' trio, who are no longer a strong enough core to maintain the spurs' contender status.

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