What do yall think of this... Ray Allen and Marquis Daniels for Jefferson and Mason, maybe throw in Mahinmi if we need to...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yk5uupa
Celtics seem to want to get younger, they could do that with RJ. Mason makes up for some of the 3's they lose, but maybe he's too much like Eddie House?
Ray's shot would be so money here. Daniels has a nice game, and would be our top perimeter defender.
Doubt the Celtics would do it tho.
Only way Celtics would consider it is if Ray Allen had 5 more years left on his contract. That's not the case.
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.co...=rss_blogs_NBA
Don't really know this source, but he claims the Spurs and Nuggets are "intrigued by Thomas". Here's the quote:
"• Tyrus Thomas isn’t as big a name as Stoudemire, but league sources agree he’s far more likely to be dealt by Feb. 18 – if not sooner. One person familiar with the situation said it would be surprising if the Thomas situation stretched into next week after his recent dustup with coach Vinny Del Negro over losing his starting job to rookie Taj Gibson. Sources say the Bulls would prefer to package Thomas in a bigger deal that would clear cap space for a major free agent signing -- such as a scenario detailed here involving the Celtics’ Ray Allen. Short of that, the Bulls would be eager to unload Thomas in a smaller deal that would bring back less significant assets that could be used to surround and entice a marquee free agent. Two Western Conference teams intrigued by Thomas are the Nuggets, patiently seeking a big man to contend with the Lakers, and the Spurs, who were characterized by two rival executives as desperate to acquire an athletic big man. “They feel like they have to do something, like they’re behind the eight ball a little bit,” one of the execs said. The Spurs have a full complement of expiring contracts that would intrigue the Bulls, who want to avoid losing a significant player with no compensation (see Ben Gordon) for the second straight summer. The Spurs, who dipped their toe across the luxury tax line this season, will have to decide before the end of their annual circus road trip – which continued Monday night against the Lakers – what they’re willing to give up to see that investment pay off."
I have my mind set that we're going to stand pat. I think Pop is too stubborn and is going to keep on trying to fit this roster into his system. Like a square peg in a round hole. Like sticking with small ball and outright murdering the defense.
Hope I'm wrong.
And to be honest, I have to agree with what's been said. I can't see us doing any damage this season at all without a major shakeup. Even with one, we're no where near any le contender. I don't care what the trade is, we need some new young blood here as this years experiment is over with. If we can have the opportunity to get Thomas with Salmons/Hinrich for some expiring contracts, I say that trade is a must.
All I know is the FO must pull the trigger on some deal, we have too many good contracts to not be able to get something out of this trade deadline.
EDIT: And until Tim Duncan retires, there is no option but to look for trade opportunities and try to get better. When the Duncan era is over with, that will be the time to rebuild. We can still have a very good team for the coming seasons, but Coach Pop has to get his head out of his ass.
I'd love this trade too.....
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yzozn9s
Rather have Augustine than Law, but I think Law makes it more realistic, and he wouldn't be bad either.
What bothers me the most (besides jefferson) is that these seems to be no sense of urgency or the players not caring so much...I'm not used to seein Spurs teams with that demeanor.
I'm good with that if the Rockets are. T-Mac for a third of a season? Could make a difference. It couldn't hurt.
T-Mac is a 23 Million expiring... not gonna happen...
Heh, I used that trade machine and it accepted Richard Jefferson for Chris Kaman and Eric Gordon. hmm
Jefferson for LeBron works too.
lol really? That probably wouldn't even work in NBA Live.
No trade is going to fix this team as long as our coach is acting like a dumbass. Fact is that Popovich lost the plot sometime around 2008. He's no longer among the elite coaches in the NBA. Never thought I'd see the day when guys like Rick Adelman and Stan Van Gundy would like more suitable options to coach this team.
More and more sources are confirming this interest from Spurs in Thomas... Interesting.
I'd love to see this kind of move, he could be what we need a shot blokers who rebound well and without being a liability in Offense.
Now I'm not sure it's a good idea with 2009/2010 Pop. The guy is difficult to handle, he creates locker room trouble, has no disciplined game, his ball handling skills are near 0 and transition Defense when he thinks about which is not often.
With all the chemistry issues we have and a senile coach it would be a disaster IMHO if not for preparing the future.
Well, if it takes Bonner+Mahinmi to get Thomas, it's not like Spurs are losing something. And after all that happens with Thomas, it should be enough to get him (Bonner with his shooting could help Bulls).
If Spurs can't find a quality big in the trade market, giving a shot to Thomas can't hurt them.
I like Thomas
That guy is all over the place
Dunks, rbds, blocks
Honestly, even if spurs did trade for Thomas I think Pop would just give him the Gooden treatment.
He would just sit on the bench watching Finley out there trying to do his job.
No doubt.Honestly, even if spurs did trade for Thomas I think Pop would just give him the Gooden treatment.
He would just sit on the bench watching Finley out there trying to do his job.
On the Block: Amare Stoudemire, Suns
SportingNews
With the Feb. 18 trading deadline approaching, Sporting News’ Sean Deveney assesses the latest player rumors. Today’s player on the spot: Suns power forward Amare Stoudemire.
The facts: For the second straight year, the trade deadline is approaching, and Stoudemire is the talk of the league. His ability has never been questioned, and he is averaging 21.2 points, but his commitment to defense and rebounding has long been a sore spot for the Suns.
Bait needed: The Suns won’t give Stoudemire away for nothing. At the very least, they can hold on to him, hope that he opts out of his contract this summer and be left with a pretty good chunk of cap space to use on another player. If the Suns are to make a deal, it will be for young talent.
Welcome mat: The Suns would very much like to deal Stoudemire to Philadelphia for former Arizona star Andre Iguodala, but sources say that the Sixers aren’t interested in pairing Stoudemire and Elton Brand—which led to a rumor involving a deal that would land Stoudemire in Detroit, as part of a three-team deal. The Warriors have long sought Stoudemire but have not pulled the trigger on a deal.
Logic test: Trading Stoudemire is complicated. First off, he is not necessarily an expiring contract. He has a player option worth $17.7 million next year and could, much as Carlos Boozer did last summer, choose not to opt out. Then, any team that can put together a package of young players for the Suns would have to be certain that Stoudemire would be willing to sign a long-term extension—that’s why Golden State has not gotten a deal done. Finally, the Suns have actually played very well lately, and rather than sending Stoudemire away, they could be looking to see how far this group can go.
So they say: “You know what you are getting with him. He can score. He can run the pick-and-roll. But, he has had injury trouble, and you know he is not going to max out his effort, and that’s why you have to be afraid to deal for him and give him a big contract.” — a Western Conference scout on Stoudemire
Bottom line: There will be a lot of Stoudemire talk at this weekend’s All-Star Game. But in all likelihood, he will stay in Phoenix.
I started laughing too until i realized the solid truth behind it.Honestly, even if spurs did trade for Thomas I think Pop would just give him the Gooden treatment.
He would just sit on the bench watching Finley out there trying to do his job.
Tyrus Thomas can be yours
By Kelly Dwyer
Spelling Jameer Nelson on Sunday, Jason Williams tallied six points in 12 minutes, making both his shots and both of his free throw attempts, adding two dimes while declining to turn the ball over.
A couple of weeks ago, I championed the idea of Zach Randolph making the All-Star team. He eventually did make the All-Star team, a move that most of you, I'm sure, are cool with.
Also, at some point this month, Tyrus Thomas will likely be traded from the Chicago Bulls.
Chicago had long ago decided not to re-sign the fourth-year forward, and they'll be looking to dump his expiring contract on another team for other expiring deals, looking fully forward to the free agent class of 2010.
These three players are the same guy, you know. The guy's a bit of a lout, a knucklehead; someone who will never get it. Until they do get it, of course.
Jason Williams? He used to look off Peja Stojakovic behind the arc and Chris Webber on the trail in order to take a 30-footer from the elbow extended. It wasn't because he was selfish - he also used to force passes where they didn't belong when a stretch lay-up would have worked - but it definitely was because J-Will didn't quite "get it" at a level that most of us would have preferred.
At some point in 2003-04, under the tutelage of Hubie Brown, Williams suddenly decided to place himself amongst the tops in the league at assist-to-turnover ratio. He shot when appropriate. He still used a bit of flash, but he also bounce-passed and made the right move. It continues to this day. Williams turned 34 last September, and despite his advancing years, he actually seems to drive more in 2009-10 than he did in 1999-00.
Randolph? His statistics are right along the lines of his career averages, but he's not taking an entire team out of its offense in order to create this sort of production. He's not holding the ball after grabbing a defensive rebound in order to influence the point guard to slow the pace down. He's not endlessly staying in that triple-threat position; a position every defender and their mother knew was only going to end up with one low-percentage "threat," a flat-footed mid-range jumper. Finally, Randolph is getting it.
Tyrus Thomas?
I can't think of a single player, with the possible exception of New York's David Lee, that has been jerked around more than Thomas. And I can't think of a single player, with no exception, that has acted like more of a prat than Tyrus. A nasty combination.
One doesn't lead to the other, but it doesn't help. Thomas was drafted as a project by the Bulls in 2006, but he was never treated like a project. Instead, he was treated like some four-year college starter that had been on CBS too many times to mention, and someone who was used to the grind. Thomas wasn't used to the grind. He was a basketball scrub until his late teens. He only had one year of slapping the backboards at LSU. He was ready, but he wasn't ready.
The Bulls not only acted as if he was ready, but he was also added to the Chicago roster at the start of Scott Skiles' weird passive-aggressive phase. When Skiles - who often seems like a perfect mix of the best qualities of Larry Brown and Don Nelson - started utilizing the worst qualities of Larry Brown and Don Nelson. The strange rotations. The stubbornness. The attention to obsession, rather than detail.
Thomas played less than a year and a half under Skiles, but it may have well been two years. Because Skiles was replaced on an interim basis by Jim Boylan, a pointless move in retrospect, because Boylan was Skiles' number two, and he promptly spent the entirety of his obviously-interim gig taking out Skiles' indirect frustrations with certain players out on the kids who had wronged Boylan's buddy the most.
So Thomas would leave the game, for long stretches, for no apparent reason. And, just as much, he would stay in the game for no apparent reason. Almost to a night, the good play would go unrewarded, and the bad play would go unacknowledged. How in the was this kid, this man, supposed to learn?
Left to his own devices, the project acted like - and I know you're shocked - a project. Until it was/is time for Chicago to write off another cheapo lottery pick, and take in the savings.
It didn't have to be like this. And, potential suitors? Thomas doesn't have to be like this.
You can make a deal, for a very tradeable contract that matches up with most MLE-salary structures, in its last year no less, and take in 30 games of inspired play. This league is so stupidly ridiculous that, of course, things always seem to flesh in the most obvious of ways. And the obvious expectation is that Thomas will be on a full "I'll show them" kick, and play exceedingly well once acquired by a team outside of Cook County.
He may not get it for good, in true Jason Williams-style, but he can do a team, a bench, a frontcourt rotation, good. He could work for the Spurs. He could work for a quite a few teams. Freed from the "figure it out on your own, kid"-clutches of the Chicago Bulls, for the rest of this year at least, it's an almost certainty.
Make that certainty your own, teams.
What kind of range does TT have?
He has an inconsistent jump shot from anywhere inside the three pointer. I think if Chip worked with him, it would definitely become consistent, thus improving his game drastically.
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