You must be gay.
My iq is in the 140's, and I hate gots. These are both true statements. I'm sorry if you were under the impression that only the dumb and ignorant disagree with your lifestyle.
You must be gay.
what's a good reason to be against it?
you could be the most ignorant near-genius on this board.
In Genesis, there is speculation that one of Noah's sons had sex with him while Noah was passed out, drunk after the flood. As a result, Noah cursed this son and his grandson. You can take that for what it is.
Based on the evidence, it seems pretty certain that your friend is gay, but that's not necessarily bad. My college roommate is gay and sometimes he lets his sexual urges take over, but he has never once hit on me or exposed me to gay porn. I would just not bring it up, to be honest.
where did that come from?
I take that as rape. No wonder Noah was pissed.
Check this out, Blake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham
It's weird though, that's for sure. To Ginobilly, I also want to say that if your friend is a good friend, then all should be good. I am pretty good friends with my roommate and living with a gay is entirely different from just hanging out with one.
I thought Noah's son only saw him naked. But that's obviously not deduced from the original text
Lol well this thread took an interesting but not unexpected turn...
Personally, I think people are en led to their opinions whether I agree with them or not. I don't have a problem with people who are gay. I don't care either way. It doesn't affect me. I certainly don't hate them. And, I do thinking that wishing death on people because of their opinions is pretty extreme itself, even if those opinions are hateful.
As for the Bible arguments that are going on here, I think people try to find reason or explanations in religion when religion really just confuses things even more. The Bible is pretty inconsistent if not at times completely contradictory. There are plenty of passages that suggest that sexuality is wrong.
However, social ideals on what is right and wrong evolve, and it's the same with sexuality. The perception of sexuality has changed. In the Old Testament, sexuality is considered an abomination. But so are things like shaving, getting tattoos, eating pork or s fish, eating meat with dairy foods. So, back then, eat a cheeseburger and go to .
Traditions, social customs and ideals, morality and value systems change over time. Sure you can find passages in the Bible that say sexuality is wrong or a sin or an abomination. You can also go to the Bible and read messages of loving your neighbor and not judging other people. I really just shake my head when people try to make a Bible argument when it comes to being gay. The Bible is extraordinarily inconsistent about things.
Especially if you're Christian, the primary message in the New Testament was about loving your neighbor. That includes your gay neighbors.
Because he doesn't have to be for it. Why does everyone have to conform to your way of thinking? A good reason for him isn't necessarily a good reason to you. No matter what his reason is you are going to shoot it down.
People like you complain about religious zealots trying to convert everyone but you are doing the same by telling people they are stupid for not thinking like you. Personally I think racism is wrong BUT those people have every right to think the way they do.
Nobody has to be 100% gung ho for it, but if someone gets on here and talks about their hatred of it, I'm just curious as to what their reasoning is.
Being "gross" might be a good reason for 5th graders to hate the gays, but other than that I haven't really seen any other reason from you or anyone else for the hatred.
I have the same right to think they are ignorant for hating the gay without just cause.People like you complain about religious zealots trying to convert everyone but you are doing the same by telling people they are stupid for not thinking like you. Personally I think racism is wrong BUT those people have every right to think the way they do.
Indifference would be an acceptable enough position in our society. Hatred, no.
so much so that it caused a huge rift in the Episcopalean church
Right but if they say it's a biblical belief then you say the bible is wrong. If they say it is not natural you say it's been going on for thousands of years. Sure the dude is wrong in the way he is putting down others but so are the people who call others idiots just because they don't share the same beliefs.
It's funny how people who are against sexuality are always labeled as gay bashers or that they hate gay people. I am against it but work everyday with gay and lesbian people. I don't agree with what they do and at the same time I am not spitting in their faces and cussing telling them they are wrong. The ones that I have worked with for a long time know my stance but we still work together in a professional manner.
You have every right to think that people who are against sexuality are ignorant. That is your belief and you are en led to it.
I never say someone's belief in the Bible is wrong. If they want to say that their religion states sexuality is wrong, therefore they think it's wrong too, then super for them they have a decent enough reason to think it's wrong.
It's better than "it's gross"
why are you against it? Is it against your biblical beliefs?It's funny how people who are against sexuality are always labeled as gay bashers or that they hate gay people. I am against it but work everyday with gay and lesbian people. I don't agree with what they do and at the same time I am not spitting in their faces and cussing telling them they are wrong. The ones that I have worked with for a long time know my stance but we still work together in a professional manner.
thanks, I thought for a minute you were against me having that right.You have every right to think that people who are against sexuality are ignorant. That is your belief and you are en led to it.
I'm just curious. Are you cool with the gay and lesbian people you work with. I mean, do you joke around with them, do you go on lunch break with some of them? Have you gone to the bar or restaurant and shared drinks with them? Would you? Not that you're right or wrong either way. I'm just curious.
See, to me, it sounds like you're merely being tolerant of them. It seems like you feel like it's perfectly fine that you are professional with them, perhaps even courteous, yet it's as if you still judge them.
For me, I'm not gay. But, I don't feel like being gay is right or wrong. It's about the individual person, and if someone is gay, that's their business and I don't think it's wrong for them. I've worked with a few gay people and I've had two gay friends in my adult life. Went out with them, hung out with them, and I even went to a couple gay bars before.
I think there's a different between tolerance and understanding. I think someone like you who can be professional and civil with gay people is obviously better than someone who is just outright hateful. However, I do believe people who are merely tolerant are still narrow-minded to a degree. That's just my own personal opinion.
I view it like the perception of black people in the 1960-1980s. For example, say a guy owned a grocery store and hired black kids to bag groceries. He could say, "well, hey, I hired a couple ######s to work at my store. I think I'm pretty sensitive to racial issues." Would he be though?
exactly...stay his friend or stop being his friend. who cares, really? point is--this is a stupid thread.
You have a pretty decent argument. I do talk to them and joke with them occasionally. We have been out as a group where everyone is invited but not specifically to hang out with each other. Recently we had a dinner party at a restaurant where one of my coworkers and his partner sat at our table. I was cordial and shook hands and engaged in small talk. I am not rude or mean in any way to them. Plus I would never be caught going to a gay bar.
Personally I would not compare gay people with black people at all. One is race and one is a sexual preference. You can hide being gay but you can't hide being black.
When it comes to work I have been in a position where I hire employees and I always looked for the right person for the job regardless of sexual orientation. You can't always tell either way about a person. Sure there are the flamboyant ones but there are plenty of straight guys that look and sound feminine and plenty of straight women who are have that athletic look that can be mistaken for something else.
so if there is a vote on gay marriage, do you vote for, against, or whogas?
+1Personally I would not compare gay people with black people at all. One is race and one is a sexual preference. You can hide being gay but you can't hide being black.
That's cool. I really was just curious.
There are definite differences between black people and gay people, but prejudice against either still draw parallels with each other. I drew a comparison to prejudice against either, not the differences in how gays can more easily hide their sexual orientation compared to a black person hiding his or her race.
But thanks for your honest response.
edit: Lol, and yeah, being a straight guy going to a gay bar can definitely be awkward. But, it's not as bad as you might think. First of all, it was a group of us, two of our gay friends, and then three of us guys were straight and we had like 4-5 straight girls. So, the straight guys, well we had some comfort with the straight girls. But, we didn't even need it. It was just hanging out, drinking, dancing, and having a good time. I think there's misconception that if a straight guy goes to a gay bar, he's going to be attacked and fondled by all these gay guys. In general, it's simply not true. First of all, most gay guys know if you're straight. And, secondly, I view gay men like girls I find ugly. Even if they want me, so what? Nothing is going to happen. Not with the gay guy and not with the ugly girl. I know that for a fact. So, there's nothing to be insecure about or worry about. But, yeah, it really isn't all that bad.
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Truthfully I wouldn't vote. I am against it completely but it is their life. If I vote against I am denying a persons right to believe what they want which I am even more against than sexuality. If I vote for than it is saying that I agree with it which I do not. So I would refrain from voting.
I went to a birthday party with this chick where I was the only straight dude there.
Was completely fine, until the dude sans shirt started to grope me.
I felt so used.
Ok well I had an experience at a regular ol' bar (Fast Eddies) where this gay dude that was invited out with us would not leave me alone. He wasn't drunk because it was right after work and we had just got there and he kept inviting me to his house and trying to grab my arm. I know I know I would get called a phobe if it was just that but he was asked by someone in the group how he stayed so young looking. He turned and looked at me and said "It's because I swallow". I WAS LIKE WTF?! He just kept saying how he liked manly men and not "pansies" like him. It was an awful experience and the few times I have been invited to go to a gay bar all I can think of is a bunch of (we'll call him) Jimmy's running around.
I know they are not all like that but he didn't help their cause. It's one thing being hit on and saying no and it's another thing when you aren't just left alone after saying there is no way.
Unless he tries to invade your anus, what the is the big deal?possibly gay.
Okay, just to make a long story short, me and three other friends had a party at a friends house. My friend let us borrowed his house while he worked overnight, he couldn't attend because he is nurse and works long hours. So we're in the middle of an intense poker game and all of a sudden my friend who arrives late brought some bud with him. We roll the and everything but then find out nobody had a lighter. So then me and my other friend go searching for one in his room. As we're going through his stuff we all of a sudden we find nurse boi's gay porno stash.(I know we ed up going through his stuff but we were drunk as ) That sucked the life out of my friend and I. We know this cat since middle school and then it turns out he's possibly gay. What should I do? Should we confront him about it, or just wait till he comes out officially?
i think my iq dropped by 50 after reading this thread.
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