How valuable is Pau Gasol?..

[HarlemHeat37]

The Lakers are 30-7 this season with Pau Gasol in the lineup..

They are 10-6 without him, losing by major blowouts to the majority of the playoff teams they faced, including Denver, San Antonio, Houston, Utah and Portland..

The Lakers are now 3-0 without Kobe Bryant, their best player, with wins over 3 playoff teams, including @ Utah, one of the toughest places to win in the NBA..

They lost to the 3 teams they beat without Kobe when Kobe was playing and Pau was out..

Now I'm not arguing that Kobe isn't their best player, he obviously is, but it is arguable that Pau Gasol is more valuable to the Lakers than Kobe Bryant?..

[Chieflion]

Last season, according to the stat, "Win Shares", which also means wins produced by the player, Kobe had a 12.7 WS while playing 82 games. Pau Gasol , on the other hand, produced a 13.9 WS, which means Pau Gasol produces more wins on the Lakers squad, while playing 81 games.

Beat that, Laker fans or should I say Kobe fans. By the way, how much funds did you use for the church?

[ace3g]

Pau is more valuable then Kobe for 3 reasons:

1. He gets easy tip ins/ layups/ dunks when the Lakers offense needs points

2. Typically gets key rebounds/tip outs

3. Refs respect his "yell" (I mean he yells on pretty much every play, including blocks, incase the refs were going to call him for a foul the "yell" makes it a clean block)

[mystargtr34]

Last season, according to the stat, "Win Shares", which also means wins produced by the player, Kobe had a 12.7 WS while playing 82 games. Pau Gasol , on the other hand, produced a 13.9 WS, which means Pau Gasol produces more wins on the Lakers squad, while playing 81 games.

Beat that, Laker fans or should I say Kobe fans. By the way, how much funds did you use for the church?

Pau Gasol 13.9 WS
Kobe Bryant 12.7 WS
Lakers 30-7 with Pau
Lakers 10-6 without Pau

Beat that!

[Phonzie20]

Confirming the international stereotype, he will continue to get certain whistles especially in a heated playoff series (dramatic flopping).

Pretty valuable for LA as it puts them over the top. He has size that he sometimes takes advantage of too.

[Donkeybong]

He's pretty good. His shot looks a lot better today. He was in a shooting slump since the cleveland game. He was getting points, but not shooting well. Looks much smoother tonight.

[Chieflion]

When the Kobe led Lakers would play the Pau led Grizzlies, it was an automatic win for the Lakers. Not to mention Pau had Battier, and Posey to try and stop Kobe.

Pau Gasol 13.9 WS
Kobe Bryant 12.7 WS
Lakers 30-7 with Pau
Lakers 10-6 without Pau

Beat that!

Enough said. Laker fan logic always fails. Good job mystargtr34.

[ace3g]

The same guy who couldn't win a playoff game before LA, right.

doesn't prevent the fact that Gasol was an all star caliber Center in Memphis, who didn't have any help and had to play the Spurs in couple of playoff series, so no wonder he never got a playoff win.


Typically talented big men have more impact and value on a team because they are usually grabbing the key boards or making game changing blocks in the paint.

and I agree, Kobe is the Lakers best player but not most valuable.

[Gutter92]

Kobe fans like lakaluva won't admit it, but LAKER fans will...Pau is just as important, if not more important, as Kobe Bryant.

[ChrisRichards]

I think the Lakers record are 150-25 since they acquired Gasol.

Kobe is their most talented player, but Gasol is the most valuable. He simply does a lot more for the Lakers than just scoring. He's a very underrated rebounder (3x 20 rebound games this season) and defender.


I dont understand when people say Gasol has'nt won without Kobe. I mean seriously, what has Kobe accomplished with Pau (Post Shaq era)?


Gasol's game is just natural. Everything he does comes within the flow of the game. Can't say the same for Kobe.

[HarlemHeat37]

Kobe vs. Pau in the post-Shaq era, when both guys had their own teams..

Memphis was 8-4 vs. the Lakers in those games..I only used the search for head-to-head, so the stats might not be a 100%, but:

Kobe: 37.9% shooting, 27.2 PPG, 4.7 RPG, 4.2 APG..
Pau: 49.5% shooting, 20.3 PPG, 12.5 RPG, 3.6 APG..

Pau Gasol is just that valuable to his teams..

[LakerHater]

Well consider a KoMe-less team beat the Blazers, Spurs & Jazz!!

I'd say they're well off without KoMe!

[UrAphag]

Pau gasol makes the lakers mesh together VERY smoothly

[ChrisRichards]

If I'm Kobe, I come into practice next week pissed off and reaming asses. These ers should play this aggressive all the time, not when Kobe takes a vacation.

NOt possible when his ass barks at his teammates every damn offensive possession.


Look this is pretty telling "ordan Farmar said, Phil Jackson told him to fight the urge not to pass the ball to Kobe when he's asking for it.

[hhml]

Pau is more valuable then Kobe for 3 reasons:

1. He gets easy tip ins/ layups/ dunks when the Lakers offense needs points

2. Typically gets key rebounds/tip outs

3. Refs respect his "yell" (I mean he yells on pretty much every play, including blocks, incase the refs were going to call him for a foul the "yell" makes it a clean block)

That's where you're wrong. Pau doesn't get any respect from the refs at all.

[HarlemHeat37]

That's where you're wrong. Pau doesn't get any respect from the refs at all.

[Pelicans78]

The simple fact that PJ had to tell his PG to do that says a lot. A true PG runs the offense, and dictate the pace. I;ve said for years the Lakers needed a PG to run the offense. Kobe would still get his, just like he did when the offense was run through Shaq.

I agree with that. Fisher honestly only cares about his own shots and Farmar hasn't been able to step up and run the team on a consistent basis.

[MiamiHeat]

The simple fact that PJ had to tell his PG to do that says a lot. A true PG runs the offense, and dictate the pace. I;ve said for years the Lakers needed a PG to run the offense. Kobe would still get his, just like he did when the offense was run through Shaq.

Cause that whole shaq thing worked out great, right?

kobe will destroy team chemistry if you don't allow him to hog the ball.

[hhml]

How valuable is Pau Gasol? The Lakers have yet to lose 3 in a row since converting him to a Laker.

[Nahtanoj]

Same ol argument. Jordan Pippen, Shaq Kobe, Kobe Gasol.

[picc84]

The difference is not Kobe off the floor, its Bynum off the floor.

[Phonzie20]

That's where you're wrong. Pau doesn't get any respect from the refs at all.

Wut?

homerism-alert

[hhml]

Wut?

homerism-alert

If you watch the Lakers on a daily basis you would know.

[JamStone]

Last season, according to the stat, "Win Shares", which also means wins produced by the player, Kobe had a 12.7 WS while playing 82 games. Pau Gasol , on the other hand, produced a 13.9 WS, which means Pau Gasol produces more wins on the Lakers squad, while playing 81 games.

Beat that, Laker fans or should I say Kobe fans. By the way, how much funds did you use for the church?

Pau Gasol 13.9 WS
Kobe Bryant 12.7 WS
Lakers 30-7 with Pau
Lakers 10-6 without Pau

Beat that!

This is a little tangental, but last year, Tim Duncan's WS was 10.1 and Dirk Nowitzki's WS was 10.9.

So, just curious, would you guys be of the opinion that Pau Gasol was already a better player than either Tim or Dirk last season?

[Chieflion]

This is a little tangental, but last year, Tim Duncan's WS was 10.1 and Dirk Nowitzki's WS was 10.9.

So, just curious, would you guys be of the opinion that Pau Gasol was already a better player than either Tim or Dirk last season?

Disagree. I only use Win shares to compare players from the same team or a player on a team with a comparable win total, like say LeBron James to Kobe Bryant last season when Bryant's team won 65 games and LeBron's team won 66, because the total of the entire team would equate to the win total of the season, which is 65 for the Lakers, and only 50+ for the Spurs and Mavs. For the record, LeBron James had a 20.3 Win Shares rating last season and already busted Kobe's total of 12.7 last season with 13.4 so far this season.