ok guys im 20 years old and still live with my parents, i been thinking of joining the Air Force and move out into my own appartment, i also heard they pay for school, but i dont know how this thing works, can someone tell me about it, i want to attend school also, any info would help, thanx
Dude we are in a war... I would say getting a job and a student loan would be the safest ways to go about moving out and going to school. Up to you though.. but that's a of a lot to possibly die for.
Otherwise best of luck. But I wouldn't go in any armed forces right now unless my main reason for doing so is I want to legally shot someone.
meh the few friends i have in the AF havent been deployed (too valuable?) and are paid very well to sit on base.
I'd rather get paid very well to sit on the internet all day at work.. My point being there is a war and there is a possibility. The fact he said Air Force pretty much tells me the dude really doesn't want to go. Yea the airforce is the last to go.. they are also widely considered the pussy version or the military amoungst armed forces. If your going to go go as a freaking Marine. Least you will have some good storys.
Otherwise.. School and a chance to move out (you can't actually be off base for a while) in exchange for signing over your rights and being goverment property for 4 years.. I'd take the job and the student loan.
Join the USAF young man and see the world. Serve your country. You won't regret it.
I say go for it. If I would have been able to at your age I would've done it.
yes, blow the dumbasses off the ground when parrying the villages and towns suspected to be terrorists mansions.
Well the only advice I have for you is to read EVERYthing before you sign. If the recruiter is promising it (say a 20k signing bonus or something), then make sure that it is on the papers that you are signing. Seriously read every little footnote. If you don't understand it, get copies of all the papers before you sign them, take them home and ask your dad to read them (or whoever you feel can understand them).
With that being said, why not? You are young, presumably single, and you are joining the branch that, unless you are a pilot, you are least likely to go to war and even if you did go, you are less likely to see action. I guess you would have a more logistical type role. Anyway, make sure you do well on your ASFAB. I got a 99 on mine, and they told me I could be whatever I wanted in the military (I was looking at the navy), I chose computers and electronics for my job (I ended up not getting in because of a scar on my cornea). If you qualify for, and choose one of the more "in demand" jobs, you can usually parlay that into a larger signing bonus.
Are you one of the idiots that is against the military? I knew this one moron that tried to discourage everyone from joining the military because he believed in "peace". What kind of idiot do you have to be to believe we would be better off without a military?
I know this question wasn't directed at me, but I believe we should have substantially less military. We need enough to protect our own borders plus maybe 10% so that if we need to use them in some multinational force we don't have to give up our own protection. Bring all of our soldiers home and let their contract run out. Shutter our overseas bases. If we need to refuel our bombers, then we can contract with the german government to do so. I know this won't happen, but its nice to dream.
So I guess you are considered the PUSSY version of our society.
I would admit I were such an idiot that believes a better country would be formed with fewer troops if you somewhat believed the OP was a true american that loves this country and his joining the US army would better this gallant group.
HEY I got the student loan and the degree, and I am going back to get a graduate degree starting in the summer. Does that make me the Uber-pussy version of society?? LOL
once the OP joined USAF and designated to some missions in mid-east or far-east, he would probably have to aim the guns at the same land where he was bred and raised, as well as the same race of people with identical ethnic characteristics as his, and a 21st century version of Timothy McVeigh is in process of emerging given how dumb and perverted he is.
This is confusing, do you know if he loves or doesn't love the country, etc? What does this have to do with disliking the concept of the military?
Oh and he is thinking about joining the AF
Fewer troops is different from no troops which is what I was talking about. I believe that we should always be well prepared so I always encourage anyone thinking about joining.
As far as his loving his country, I can't speak for him. I will say however though that my brother, who is active duty in Iraq, decided to join as a way of paying for school and getting paid and out of trouble he was getting himself into. Now he has been in for about 6 years and is going to re-up and stay in longer. He enjoys doing what he is doing and continues to climb in rank and believes in what he is doing. For all we know the OP could get caught up in the military lifestyle and not only make something positive out of it but contribute.
It easily tells from his dumbness that he isn't someone native in America, he only immigrated into this country for better healthcare, better education etc... Unless he's the real life version or even the prototype of Forrest Gump.
I have worked for the Air Force for the past 10 years. I wish i would have joined when i was younger, i was close to doing it, but didnt. I really wish i would have.
Talk to a recruiter, go to http://www.airforce.com/ and read about what kind of jobs are out there and what they offer / dont offer.
There are a lot of decent bonuses right now for enlistment.
I say do it, you will not regret it one bit. You will get a ton of training, get to take advantage of the GI Bill for school, free medical insurance, and be looked on 1000% more favorably for jobs when you get out, + all of the retirement benefits if you stay in long enough to qualify...
You have to excuse me, but I dont generally pay attention to people's names when I am reading posts, but where do you get the idea that he is dumb, or an immigrant? Is it from other threads? I don't see anything in this thread other than some young kid trying to weigh some options. Also, if he is an immigrant, and wants better healthcare/education, who cares unless he is an illegal immigrant. He has an end (education) and sees a means to get it (military) and wants to know the consequences of that decision lest he should look for another means to his end.
I'm not pushing the military at the front of blames TBH, it's just some of those re s in office who are navigating American politically further and further away from European allies and even make themselves alienated to Europeans IMHO.
Less military means the severer vulnerabilities of being the target for another terrorist attack, or some fascist invasion in the worst case. Americans love this country so much none of them would like to see their beloved country being assimilated to the ty ones and all the people being forced to learn some ty languages and cultures etc... Even with the current hold of armies, pentagon still feels kind of shorthanded with the operations in Afghanistan.
Immigrants are nowadays only joining the army because they want the accession to their US citizenship that would make them feel more like people rather than lodgers living in this country, with all other issues being secondary. Either you're roughly at the same wavelength with OP or you should have noticed his dumbness and stupidity which look both crystal clear to me TBH.
I'm not here repressing the precious desire of a youngster about serving his country, but I'm just showing my concerns related to this issue. Military recruiting is surely not a personal issue or a comfortable route for some individual to earn something he cannot achieve any other way. US troops are unarguably the greatest of the world but I'd doubt the greatness of them if one day this once-heroic group was diffusely alloyed with mercenaries like what the OP wants to be.
That is why I said cut the military to the level that we need to protect our country and do only that. I even said to add 10% so that we could send some troops as part of a multinational force if necessary to do anything. You say we are shorthanded in Afghanistan? Get them outta there, and we won't be short handed anymore, we will be gone. If we are not walking around blowing up home after home, there will be fewer people mad enough at us to become terrorists.
Also, are you drunk, or an immigrant? Your english in some cases is very hard to understand. I don't care about grammar or spelling (though there are some mistakes there too), but once you become hard to understand...
why not adopt crips and bloods also into the range of recruitment then? I'm sure every crip and blood would be more than glad to quit the hoodratting stuffs and become one of american idols if a chance is given. It's just because those gangstas often live under pressing poverty that forces them to join the gangs to earn their livings, or to protect themselves from harm at the very least. If you're to recruit some mercenaries into the troops, I would rathen them be crips/bloods than a mentally handicapped immigrant like OP.
That's exactly why troops shouldn't be retreated yet more of them need to be redeployed and sent there IMHO. You're currently stuck in a war hence it's not a time of choice but commitment, as you have already get your hands into it since it ever started. More troops recruited means steadier control of the situation, which basically means the guarantee for a win.
BTW If i'm making my writings too complex for you to digest well, then I'm glad to make them a little bit simpler but honestly I don't think there is need to navigate the discussion to the personal information of my humble self. I'm not and will probably never be such an immigrant like what the OP is and is striving to quit being by earning himself the citizenship that he actually doesn't deserve.
The Air Force has a pretty good quality of life, and after a few years of service, the pay gets pretty good actually.
I won't pretend to know how the schooling vs. possible deployment is, but if you can get the Air Force to pay for 4 years of college and serve as an officer afterwords, it's worth it. I think the contractual hitch for something like that is 10 years though. I left the military in 1992, so things have changed since. Find out and know.
I would suggest not joining if you are mostly liberal in your viewpoints. In my opinion, conservative minded people do better in the military than liberal minded folks.
When I left in 1992, I was married with 2 children. My standard of living dropped because to have the same net income after taxes, I would have to make about $18.50/hr. Without looking at the current pay scale, I don't know the differences, but after a few years of serving, it's going to be like a $20+ per hr. job. Probably $30+.
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