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    I wouldn't since I'm not a scientist.

    What if there was a concensus among scientists that global cooling was inevitable? Would you believe them?

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    What if there was a concensus among scientists that global cooling was inevitable? Would you believe them?
    Dunno. Most of the articles I read are based on observed evidence and don't attempt to predict events in the future.

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    Dunno. Most of the articles I read are based on observed evidence and don't attempt to predict events in the future.

    Srsly? What articles are those?


    FYI...


    Temperatures declined from the late 1930's to mid 1970's (observed evidence). Many scientists in the 1970's were predicting catastrophic global cooling, just as many today are predicting catastrophic global warming.

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    Climate scientists say the darndest things.



    ...if anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences. This isn’t being political, it is being selfish.

    Cheers, Phil



    I know there is pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards ‘apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data’ but in reality the situation is not quite so simple. We don’t have a lot of proxies that come right up to date and those that do (at least a significant number of tree proxies ) some unexpected changes in response that do not match the recent warming. I do not think it wise that this issue be ignored in the chapter.

    Why do you think there is pressure to present this nice, tidy story? And who is applying this pressure.

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    Wow. Evidently, in addition to being a scientific heretic, you're also unpatriotic if you don't believe in anthropogenic catastrophic climate change.


    Keep in mind, Bill Nye the "science guy" is a mechanical engineer, as am I.






    From http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/1...sm-agw-belief/



    So now he’s Bill Nye, the Judge-Your-Patriotism Guy, which shouldn’t surprise anyone, especially since Rachel Maddow got the renowned climatologist as a guest. Wait, Nye isn’t a climatologist? He’s a mechanical engineer? Well, then, asking him to verify anthropogenic global warming is as silly as hiring a railroad engineer to chair a panel on climate change, isn’t it, or in passing unpublished student dissertations as reliable peer-reviewed studies in scientific presentations. Maybe Nye is an expert on patriotism? Er, no (also at Townhall and Story Balloon):


    This is the worst possible time to claim that AGW is settled science, as even the IPCC has decided to dramatically revamp its processes after a series of embarrassing disclosures on how they conducted that “settled science.” Does Nye insist that a sufficient test of patriotism is belief in the Himalayan glaciers melting by 2035? Until a few weeks ago, that was “settled science,” too, according to the same authorities on which Nye bases his “patriotism.”
    Questioning scientific claims is not unpatriotic.


    In fact, refusing to question and test scientific claims is itself unscientific, as was many of the actions of the IPCC in building its claims in the first place. Demanding unquestioning acceptance of recent scientific claims as gospel amounts to a forced belief system, and our Cons ution actually has an explicit prohibition against religious tests for office. Is the Cons ution unpatriotic as well? Maybe Nye should stick to classroom demonstrations of basic science and leave AGW and the measurement of patriotism to those more intellectually capable of discernment.

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    I love what he says about 1:50 into that video:



    It's mostly generational. Seems to be. This is anecdotal for me. Older people just have a much harder time graping the idea that you have many billons of people on the planet with a very very thin atmosphere -- you're able to affect its climate. Younger people are sort of able to embrace it, understand the evidence, and move forward.

    Or, maybe younger people have been pumped full of this BS their entire lives and now just take is as a given. Brainwashed.


    He then goes on to say



    Like making a one-armed full court shot happens now and then, there are snow storms in D.C. now and then.


    Really? A snow storm in D.C. is as rare as a one-armed full court basketball shot? Color me skeptical.

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    Where is our media?


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    I know, I know, snow doesn't disprove AGW.


    I'm curious, does lack of snow PROVE AGW?


    These Dems seem to think so.




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    C'mon Shastafarian.

    The Religion of Global Climate Change, until just a few years ago, was preaching a gospel of Global Warming, swearing on a stack of IPCC reports that it would continue to warm until, in 2100, it was somewhere between 2 and 6 degrees hotter than it was in the year 2000.

    No one ever spoke of Global Warming also causing extreme cold conditions with record precipitation...not then. No, they talked about Hurricanes and what not. But, the Hurricane seasons didn't get any more violent than others over the past century so, they were wrong about that, too.

    Now, we're finding out they "hid the decline" and jiggered the data, lied about glaciers and polar ice caps; all to show it was still getting warmer when, in fact, it was cooling and we all knew it because, well, we're not stupid. It was only after they couldn't deny the falling temperatures any longer that they changed the name of their religion to the Church of Global Climate Change and started making crap up about how every severe weather event is caused by man's affect on the climate.

    You really still have confidence in their findings?

    Seriously? Less than ten years ago they couldn't predict that anthropogenic climate change would actually cause the planet to cool and produce record blizzards across vast swaths of our great nation.

    They would have us spend trillions of dollars, re some of our most productive industries, and shift a huge percentage of GNP around the planet to control a problem that they can't prove exists and the results of which they continue to misjudge over just a few years, never mind the next century.

    Are you really still married to this whole nonsense? Did Phenomaul's post yesterday not resonate with you at all?

    By the way, well said, Phenomaul.

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    I know, I know, snow doesn't disprove AGW.


    I'm curious, does lack of snow PROVE AGW?


    These Dems seem to think so.



    The lengths democrats will go to, to control more and more of our resources.

    Appalling.

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    Well? I've been waiting for some forum enviro-religionist to man up and admit they've been duped by Al Gore and the rest of the Enviro-whackos but, I guess you're too embarrassed by the revelations of the past couple of days.

    That's alright, I understand.

    You know, when I was a child, we were taught -- by our science teachers -- that nature was an immense force and that humans were puny, by comparison. I guess some of you are just now learning that.

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