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D12 has ZERO business being named besides Shaq.... he shouldn't get any respect from the Big Diesel... NONE... NADA
Kobe threw current teammates under the bus, so I don't see why Shaq throwing past teammates under bus should be a problem for Lakers fans.
And Dwight is in denial if he thinks that Shaq doesn't hate him.
Shaq would tell you straight up if he does'nt like you. I think he's just teaching Dwight a lesson or two and well. he's being Shaq.
I mean, Jordan was the first Superman, then Shaq took that crown and now Dwight is pushing this Superman image to his fans and media? dude has a thick skin. He's nowhere Shaq's level when Shaq was in his prime. Dwight should call himself Superboy.
I think Lebron should be the next Superman of the league. Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to lifet deadweight (Cavs) into a single bound.
I Never pointed to the Pistons series ...you did. I do BLAME Kobe (mostly)for 2004 but Shaq started the season with negative comments about Kobe
I won't bother rehasing but Shaq started the "media feud" that year...I know I lived in L.A. then ...
I blame Kobe for the Colorado incident affecting the team more than the 40%
If you insist it's rape whatever but if that went to court no convition ...trust me. Kobe settled due to the negative press.
As for Shaq all of the crap you posted here he does not win a le without Amazing series and and/or games From Kobe and Wade.
In the Finals (Lakers) Shaq was dominant but in almost every playoff series during the Finals runs here 2000 20003
He would start off in Games 1 and 2 with 40 and 15 but would be sitting with early foul trouble on the road ...kobe bailed his ass out in more games than the Game 4 win in OT vs. indiana in the finals and without clutch shots by Horry and Fish neither of them have ANY hardware.
My point is Call kobe a rapist, ball-hog etc but aT LEAST he gest the MOST out of his ability even if that sometimes is a detriment to his FG% or developing others...
SHAQ could of been the best there ever was ...but he fell way short Kobe at least tries ...
and why are we even discussing Kobe here?
There is a THREAD for THAT ...
I was talking about my issues with Shaq ...and responding to a post why some Laker fans are harsh on Shaq even though he led us to 3 les ...
YOU may not agree (it is a forum) but I just think Shaq has left planty of rings, MVP's and points on the court.
If you compare him to Tim ..Tim was not blessed with Shaq's size, quickness hops or power... yet he worked on his game to become the best big man of his era (took the torch from Hakeem) same number of les more MVP's (though Mvp voting IS CRAP Duncan deserved his)
If you look at Shaq in his prime NO WAY Duncan should even be in his league...
Shaq's size/speed ratio advantage over his fellow big man is much like what Lebron enjoys now ...
BUT it is Duncan who is the greater player and was conisderd the player of the decade (by those that didnt choose Kobe but he was either 1st or 2nd) BECAUSE of the work he put in and he took everything out of his body Shaq alas did not ...
Back to the OP ...Howard is not as good as prime Shaq but I bet you ...much like Zo he WILL get the most out of his game that he can ...if Shaq worked as hard as Duncan, zo or Dwight this would of been NO contest ...
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shaq is being a little girl but when he retires, all the new bball fans will forget about him and how good he really was.
then we'll all have to argue with bball noobs about how shaq was infinitely better than d12 and they just wont listen.
Best post you have made in a long while ... LOLI think Lebron should be the next Superman of the league. Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to lifet deadweight (Cavs) into a single bound.
Sons, shaq was always a lazy motha er but he was just so big that he couldnt be stopped down low..I wonder how many ppl have gotten one of his elbows to the chin hahaa..Look at him now, ending his career going from team to team & always leaving each one of them on a bad note..He needs to shut his mouth cuz he aint doing anyone any favors.
I'll also say this to whom much is given ...much is expected.
Lebron And Shaq (was) are freaks of nature they were blesed with gifts to dominate ...shaq just didnt do it long enough or hard enough for my taste.
Lebron looks like he will and his game grows and he is in ultimate shape ...Shaq did that for year of his MVP season and arguably the year BEFORe that ...other than that he only played hard in the 3peat Finals and the Detroit loss in 2004 ...
That just bugs me ...he shoulda been the greatest ...
Why does every single thread turn into a Kobe thread?
Son, Ive made some pretty damn good posts before, you were just too blind to see. But thank you and bless you.
LOL @ this thread..
-Dwight doesn't need help 1 on 1..he gets beat in the post 1 on 1, which happens to everybody, but he isn't weak by any means..that was the first time I've ever seen Howard getting help off doubles, and it was one of the worst strategies I've ever seen..Magic fans were left wondering WTF SVG was doing..nobody should be doubling Shaq at this point..he's still a decent player, but he can barely move..
-Dwight has never disrespected Shaq..Shaq's just an immature, insecure POS..I've never disliked Shaq, but he's one of the more annoying guys in sports nowadays..it's one thing to hate somebody for snitching on you, but hating on somebody because he had a gimmick during the dunk contest? ridiculous..
Shaq is perfectly justified with the Dwight hate. Dwight needs to get his own iden y.
its not my style to say it like that. part of the reason i dont like shaq anymore
but shaq is right, he was much better coming in than howard. i never understood why people like him so much. yes he has potential, but its still only that. watching the playoffs last year and seeing howard was somewhere between painful and comical.
funny though that, like a true hater shaq only gives credit to his opponents when he needs to prop himself up.
That's not true. I never heard Shaq say a bad word about Big Z before he joined the Cavaliers.
Shaq will respect any center who plays him straight up and isn't dirty. And doesn't steal his nicknames.
SHAQ has always been the most insecure player in the NBA... boo hoo hoo I'm not hot anymore... STFU SNAQ!
This, I agree with. Howard should be a much greater force than he is.Shaq on on Dwight Howard: "Superman my ass." And a whole lot more coming, the big man unleashed.
This is Shaq being a . When you were young, Shaq, another centre by the name of DAVID ROBINSON routinely PWNED your arse and taught you many a lesson, yet you never give him any credit. you.Shaq on getting doubled but not doubling Howard: "When I was coming up and there was Ewing and Hakeem, I never doubled anybody."
Whiny little insecure crybaby with overwhelming ego much?More: "You tell me who the real Superman is. Don't compare me to anybody. I'd rather not be mentioned. I'm offended"
I wonder who Shaq hates more.... Dwight Howard or David Robinson? I say Robinson by a mile. Just think about that... who the could HATE David Robinson? That right there shows you what kind of person Shaq really is.
According to espn Tim Duncan's ruling on the matter was that the real superman is Michael Jordan because of his six les.
Not true. He hated David and Zo and they both played him straight up ...
Joe Im disappointed in you. Check teh history ...or maybe you don't follow the "off-court" drama ...willing to give you the benefit of doubt.
My bad misread your post Tait ...
And Dwight will never be as fat as Shaq is now.
Howard not happy with Shaq
By Marc J. Spears
The NBA’s new Superman is tired of the trash-talking from the previous Man of Steel.
Shaquille O’Neal taunted Dwight Howard after the Cleveland Cavaliers’ victory over the Orlando Magic on Thursday, telling reporters, “You tell me who the real Superman is? Don’t compare me to nobody. I’d rather not be mentioned. I’m offended.”
Having heard enough from O’Neal since last season, the often playful Howard turned serious when asked Friday about Shaq’s words.
“Do I find it humorous? No I don’t,” Howard said. “Coming from somebody like him, I just wouldn’t expect something like that or for somebody to do that. There is nothing I can do about it. He said what he had to say. It didn’t sit too well with me.”
After losing to Orlando in last season’s Eastern Conference finals, Cleveland traded for O’Neal to help them better match up with Howard. The rivalry between the two centers gained steam last season when O’Neal accused Howard of stealing his Superman nickname and added that he “invented” everything Howard had done. O’Neal also took shots at Magic coach Stan Van Gundy, labeling his former Miami coach as the “Master of Panic.” During the NBA Finals, O’Neal posted a rather unflattering picture of what he said the “love child” of Howard and Van Gundy would look like.
While Howard says he respects O’Neal’s career, he wishes Shaq would be more of a mentor to him than a trash-talker.
“I just felt like Shaq being who he is with what he’s done for the NBA, me being a young player trying to get where he is at, I just felt like it would be better for him to try to get me there instead of trying to bring me down, especially in front of you [media] guys,” Howard said. “That part stuck with me. I would never talk bad or say anything to put him down. I think that he’s a great person. He’s done a lot of great things for the NBA and his community.”
So who owns the Superman nickname?
“Shaq. C’mon now,” Kobe Bryant said. “Dwight will get there, but he doesn’t have Shaq’s history. Dwight’s coming. Dwight’s time is coming.”
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