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Any deal that keeps us from looking like we did in that Denver game will be a godsend. Haywood / Dampier would be a pretty decent center rotation; reminiscent of the Damp (younger) / Diop (when he didn't suck) rotation we had in the Finals.
Last night according to ESPN Wash offered Butler+Stevenson for Josh Howard and a small expiring. It was close to being done, but Cuban declined.
Now, trade talks have resumed with Haywood being included.
DALLAS -- Long-running trade talks between the Dallas Mavericks and Washington Wizards have taken a fresh twist now that the teams have discussed the prospect of packaging center Brendan Haywood to Dallas in the same deal with Wizards forward Caron Butler, according to sources close to the discussions.
Talks between the teams had stalled in the past week, partly because of Washington's insistence that the Mavericks take guard DeShawn Stevenson in any Butler deal, but the potential for acquiring two front-line players -- since Butler and Haywood would immediately become key rotation players for the Mavs -- has renewed Dallas' interest.
Sources said that such a deal, which is still in the discussion phase, would send Josh Howard and a handful of cap-friendly contracts to the Wizards and holds appeal for both sides.
It would enable Washington to truly launch its rebuilding efforts, realize significant financial relief in the midst of a disastrous season and achieve those aims without giving up forward Antawn Jamison, which is the Wizards' preference.
The possible acquisitions of Butler and Haywood, meanwhile, would be a welcome spark for the sputtering Mavericks, with Butler moving into the spot vacated by the out-of-favor Howard and Haywood arriving as another rim-protecting defensive anchor in the wake of a knee injury that has compromised the effectiveness of Mavs center Erick Dampier.
Acquiring Haywood and having the chance to re-sign him this summer would likely fill the void Dallas thought it filled last summer, when the Mavs signed Orlando center Marcin Gortat to a lucrative offer sheet, only for the Magic to unexpectedly match the offer to the restricted free agent.
Yet there are undeniable impediments to a Washington-Dallas deal. The Wizards, according to sources, would still rather make the smaller deal with Dallas reported by ESPN.com on Feb. 5: Butler and Stevenson for Howard and a small expiring contract such as James Singleton or Quinton Ross.
One source said that the Wizards, who continue to talk trades with the Houston Rockets, Portland Trail Blazers and other teams, are reluctant to part with Haywood as the deal is currently structured.
In the latest proposals exchanged by the teams, Dallas would send Howard (whose $11.8 million salary next season is a team option) to Washington and also surrender backup center Drew Gooden, along with multiple low-salaried players such as Tim Thomas, Singleton and Ross.
Washington would inevitably want prized Mavericks rookie Rodrigue Beaubois added to the deal, but Mavs owner Mark Cuban said earlier this week that his young point guard is "pretty much untouchable" as Thursday's trade deadline approaches. It is not known whether Washington would accept Mavericks guard J.J. Barea instead.
Speaking to a group of reporters Thursday, Cuban said: "We kind of know the parameters [under] which we would make a deal. If somebody meets our parameters, we'll pull the trigger. But if not, we're not going to do it. I don't see us doing something just to do something because that'll kill our flexibility this summer. But in the event that there's somebody that really upgrades our talent and really makes our team better, then maybe we'll do it."
The Rockets have also been discussing deals for the Wizards for some time and have maintained an interest in Butler and Haywood in a deal featuring Tracy McGrady's $22.5 million expiring contract.
As with the Dallas talks, though, Washington has continued to seek more than mere payroll relief from Houston. The Rockets have balked at including any of the players in their long-term plans -- such as Shane Battier, Carl Landry, Luis Scola or Kyle Lowry -- just as the Mavericks say they won't surrender Beaubois.
The Wizards have likewise repeatedly insisted that Cleveland include young power forward J.J. Hickson in a trade for Jamison, which has dissuaded the Cavs from following through on their longstanding Jamison interest.
Yahoo! Sports reported Friday that the Wizards and Boston Celtics are discussing a trade that would send Butler and Jamison to the Celtics for a package headlined by Ray Allen's $19.7 million expiring contract. Celtics general manager Danny Ainge has subsequently denied such talks, telling The Boston Globe "there is no truth" to the notion of swapping Allen for two players who could dramatically reshape the look of the Celtics.
Although one source warned Friday that it would be a mistake "to sleep on that one," another source close to the situation insisted to ESPN.com that a Boston-Washington swap looks "very doubtful" because of the considerable long-term expense Boston would be taking on -- for players who play the same positions as Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett -- and because of Washington's reluctance to part with Jamison.
"I have no control over trade rumors," Allen said via his Twitter feed. "Let's just focus on being positive. I am a Celtic. Green all day."
Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.
Last edited by badfish22; 02-12-2010 at 04:45 PM.
Any deal that keeps us from looking like we did in that Denver game will be a godsend. Haywood / Dampier would be a pretty decent center rotation; reminiscent of the Damp (younger) / Diop (when he didn't suck) rotation we had in the Finals.
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Just filed to ESPN.com: Mavs-Wiz trade talks have only gotten more serious this afternoon. Many sources say sides closing in on a deal
The only way to make this team a a contender is hoping that Damps contract brings back a dominat piece in the offseason, otherwise any trades that are made now have the mavs treading water
This is a good trade only if Haywood is involved. Also, why is Cuban balking at Deshawn Stevenson? The guy is borderline re ed but he's still better than Matt Carroll.
Although if I had my way, I'd be going after Mike Miller and not Caron Butler. Someone remind me again why we're trading an underachieving small forward that can't shoot for another underachieving small forward that can't shoot?
At this point, Haywood excites me more than Butler. Another defensive big man would be huge for this team. I still have hope for Butler however. We would just have to wait and see.
If JJ is headed out in this deal, that another huge +
Haywood definitely is the best part of this deal. Butler doesn't suck, but he's not going to be all that significant of an upgrade over J-Ho in my opinion. Plus, Mike Miller's shooting ability would absolutely help out a team that is godawful from 3 point range.
Butler is a very talented player and he can bring a mental toughness the Mavs need.
I'd rather go after Miller and Haywood unfortunately both of those guys have expiring contracts and doesnt serve the Wiz purpose of sheeding salary...Wiz would probably insist on Stevenson being included. If Cubes was willing to pay for KVH and took on Abdul-Wahad's contract, then Stevenson shouldnt be a deal breaker. He already saved $$ in the short-term by dumping Humphries
Dallas needs a low post presence, wont win w/o one. Butler doesnt do anything for them.
Damn, did you remove Parker's from your mouth and replace it with Butler's? When was he a mentally tough player?
You are still trying to hard.
His nickname is "Tough Juice". People talk about it all the time. What is your nickname, " gobbler"?
http://my.nba.com/cms/NBA%20Player%2...20Real%20Juice
Oh yeah, and on my last blog post I promised I'd tell you guys about my nickname Tough Juice. Well a couple of years ago, my former coach Eddie Jordan gave me the name. With just my performance in practice and always bringing it at a high level and being able to deal with whatever adversity that was placed in front of me on the basketball court or in life. Eddie was just like "Man, you Tough Juice! I like that Tough Juice." And that's just something that stuck and everyone just took it and ran with it
When Eddie Jordan was the coach he was tough. Too bad they're not trading for 2007 or 2008 Butler.
Btw - Maybe San Antonio should not use Parker more often so they can actually win games against above .500 teams like Denver.
YOU ARE SO ING FUNNY. .
I guess his toughness just disappeared. I mean, playing on a ty team that has completely unraveled has nothing to do with anything. Even though he is still playing hard.
Way to explain how I'm wrong.
I agree, that 42% from the field is as hard as it gets.
Ric Bucher said that Dallas walked away from Washingtons deal last night because they thought they had a deal for Kevin Martin, but it fell through.
Mavs with a failed trade
WojYahooNBA: Wizards near completion of trade that sends Caron Butler and DeShawn Stevenson to Dallas for Josh Howard and one other player, source says.
I think KMart would be a better fit because of his natural position, but Caron does add a dimension that they need.
I like KMart's scoring, but he literally does nothing else on the court except score. I'm not high on Butler but overall he's a much better addition than Martin.
No Haywood = pointless deal.Mavs with a failed trade
WojYahooNBA: Wizards near completion of trade that sends Caron Butler and DeShawn Stevenson to Dallas for Josh Howard and one other player, source says.
If the Mavs don't get Haywood in this trade, then it seems like a complete waste of time to me.
What's that? Someone who plays mediocre defense and shoots a "tough" 42%.
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