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  1. #26
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    No Haywood = pointless deal.
    agreed...mavs might be slightly better with Butler but not enough to jump LA or Denver. This is actually a bad trade IMO bc the mavs added another year of salary in Stevenson and Butler without getting vastly improved

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    Dude, hurry up and guzzle that so we can hear what you have to say.

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    No Haywood = pointless deal.
    If the Mavs don't get Haywood in this trade, then it seems like a complete waste of time to me.
    +1

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    Dude, hurry up and guzzle that so we can hear what you have to say.

    lol unable to counter my argument

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    I think you guys are underrating Butler a little bit. Josh is a corpse on this Mavs team. They need new life. Yes, it is an additional year of salary, but your owner is willing to spend, so it is not that big of a deal.

    Time will tell though.

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    lol unable to counter my argument
    What is your argument? That 42% shooting = not tough? Is Ron Artest tough? He only shoots 42%.

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    Hopefully someone who shoot's a tough 42% will make a huge difference over Josh's soft 40%. That extra 2% is huge.

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    One silver lining if Haywood isn't involved. - this may be just one piece of the puzzle. The Mavs even with Haywood don't have a realistic shot at a le.

    But if part two comes this offseason using Dampier, then a Dirk/Butler/Marion/Kidd/Mystery Player lineup could absolutely compete next season.

    I don't like the trade without Haywood involved, but I don't hate it either.

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    What is your argument? That 42% shooting = not tough? Is Ron Artest tough? He only shoots 42%.

    Offensively Artest is anything but tough. He and Butler are pretty similar offensive players actually, two guys who could get to the hole but decide to hulk jumpers.

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    What does shooting have to do with toughness? Please explain in detail.

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    One silver lining if Haywood isn't involved. - this may be just one piece of the puzzle. The Mavs even with Haywood don't have a realistic shot at a le.

    But if part two comes this offseason using Dampier, then a Dirk/Butler/Marion/Kidd/Mystery Player lineup could absolutely compete next season.

    I don't like the trade without Haywood involved, but I don't hate it either.
    Exactly. Your owner will spend money. We will see how this works.

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    I think you guys are underrating Butler a little bit. Josh is a corpse on this Mavs team. They need new life. Yes, it is an additional year of salary, but your owner is willing to spend, so it is not that big of a deal.

    Time will tell though.
    Butler for Josh is a decent trade. Improves the team, but still doesn't give us a shot at legit contention. Heywood gives us the size we need to actually compete in the playoffs.
    No getting Heywood would be a disappointment epically since I have gotten my hopes up

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    Shooting has a lot to do with "playing hard" as you put it, if someone is playing hard, he should be shooting better than 42%.

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    Mavericks close to acquiring Butler
    By Adrian Wojnarowski

    The Washington Wizards and Dallas Mavericks have neared completion on a trade that will send Caron Butler and DeShawn Stevenson to Dallas in exchange for Josh Howard, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

    The teams were negotiating what other player would go back to Washington – Quinton Ross or Tim Thomas – but the talks weren’t expected to unravel the trade.

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    Is DeShawn Stephenson the replacement for Antoine Wright you guys have been missing?

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    Shooting has a lot to do with "playing hard" as you put it, if someone is playing hard, he should be shooting better than 42%.
    You are a ing idiot. Not only that, but you are the most butt hurt troll on SpursTalk.

    Now to get to your reply:

    "ROFL, cannot even counter my argument, even though I have verbal diarrhea

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    You are a ing idiot. Not only that, but you are the most butt hurt troll on SpursTalk.

    Now to get to your reply:

    Stay on point. How does someone who plays hard shoot 42%?

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    Hope is not lost. Stein and dallasnews still reporting that Haywood is a part of the deal.

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    Stay on point. How does someone who plays hard shoot 42%?
    How does someone shooting 42% mean they are not tough?

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    Mavericks on verge of trading Josh Howard

    The Mavericks appear to have agreed on the major points of a trade that will send Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, Quinton Ross and James Singleton to Washington for Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson.

    The deal is not done. But a source said that the pieces of the trade have been tentatively agreed upon.

    The trade would require league approval, which could take until after All-Star Weekend.

    The Mavericks and Wizards have been trade partners before, when Dallas acquired Devin Harris and Jerry Stackhouse for Antawn Jamison in 2004. That was a trade that both teams viewed as a success.

    Washington apparently has become resigned to the fact that Haywood, their center who is having a solid season, would not re-sign this summer when he is a free agent.

    That, plus the fact that the Wizards will save a ton of money if the deal goes down, is their motivation.

    The Mavericks drafted Howard in 2003 and he has enjoyed great successes, although he has been prone to controversial moments.

    He's been struggling this year to recover from off-season ankle surgery but has played well lately. Next season, his contract is a team option, which could yield a payroll savings of $11 million for the Wizards.

    --Eddie Sefko

  21. #46
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    F'ng Mavs taking our trade ideas.

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    Finally, the trades begin! I just hope the Suns aren't involved in any of them.

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    http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archi...osh-howar.html

    Mavericks on verge of trading Josh Howard
    5:20 PM Fri, Feb 12, 2010 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
    Eddie Sefko/Reporter Bio | E-mail | News tips
    The Mavericks appear to have agreed on the major points of a trade that will send Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, Quinton Ross and James Singleton to Washington for Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson.

    The deal is not done. But a source said that the pieces of the trade have been tentatively agreed upon.

    The trade would require league approval, which could take until after All-Star Weekend.

    The Mavericks and Wizards have been trade partners before, when Dallas acquired Devin Harris and Jerry Stackhouse for Antawn Jamison in 2004. That was a trade that both teams viewed as a success.

    Washington apparently has become resigned to the fact that Haywood, their center who is having a solid season, would not re-sign this summer when he is a free agent.

    That, plus the fact that the Wizards will save a ton of money if the deal goes down, is their motivation.

    The Mavericks drafted Howard in 2003 and he has enjoyed great successes, although he has been prone to controversial moments.

    He's been struggling this year to recover from off-season ankle surgery but has played well lately. Next season, his contract is a team option, which could yield a payroll savings of $11 million for the Wizards.

    --Eddie Sefko

  24. #49
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    Please let Eddie Sefko be right.

    Also, wouldn't it be hilarious if James Singleton used his Bird Rights to pull a Devean George?

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    If Sefko's article is accurate, that's a big win for both teams.

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