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    the reason to risk Manu walking for nothing is because when it comes to public relations that makes Manu the bad guy.

    If the Spurs trade Manu away, that makes them the bad guy.
    Not if they get great value in return that can help them win a championship, and if the Manu signs somewhere else plays great and wins a le lets say w/ the Lakers the Spurs look like fools

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    What about TP for a legit big man like bosh or amare. I know Amare D isn't that great but his offensive skills...

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    I'd like to thank the Spurs for the pounding they gave the Nuggets last night I hope it means the Nuggets FO won't rest on their laurels.

    Nuggets need to make a move.

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    I'd like to thank the Spurs for the pounding they gave the Nuggets last night I hope it means the Nuggets FO won't rest on their laurels.

    Nuggets need to make a move.
    That's what I was hoping from yal. Them Nuggas didn't even come to play

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    But weren't they willing to let Robinson walk until the public outcry forced their hand? Wasn't it pressure from Pop and Duncan in front of the public and the media that got Parker the extra $2 million from Holt and got the contract done?
    I personally think there is a bit of everything involved, and it's not an easy decision. It's like when they gave Malik Rose that bad contract, then traded him away. It was a reward for Malik and the team moved on without a fan favorite.

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    Does anyone think trades start TONIGHT?????

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    From Twitter Marc Stein just tweeted a couple minutes ago: STEIN_LINE_HQ
    Just filed to ESPN.com: Mavs-Wiz trade talks have only gotten more serious this afternoon. Many sources say sides closing in on a deal.

    If mavs can get haywood and butler for Howard and another expiring that's a great deal for the Mavs
    If this happens the Spurs will need to push hard for the Thomas deal...preferably bringing in Salmons too.

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    once one deal happens the rest will fall into place

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    Between getting wasted by a Kobe less Lakers team and a convincing beatdown of the Nuggets, I'm uncertain if the Spurs will make a trade or not.

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    From SI, sorry if it's already posted.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...est/index.html

    San Antonio Spurs
    Team Payroll: $80.2 million
    Potential Trade Assets: G George Hill, G Manu Ginobili, G Roger Mason, F Matt Bonner

    The Spurs had internal discussions about Stoudemire but that didn't get very far. San Antonio is expected to stand pat and hope the chemistry between the still-adjusting Richard Jefferson (averaging 12.1 points, lowest since his rookie season) and the rest of the team comes together by April. The Spurs do have the expiring contracts of Mason and Bonner to work with, but both are solid role players in Gregg Popovich's system.

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    From SI, sorry if it's already posted.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...est/index.html

    San Antonio Spurs
    Team Payroll: $80.2 million
    Potential Trade Assets: G George Hill, G Manu Ginobili, G Roger Mason, F Matt Bonner

    The Spurs had internal discussions about Stoudemire but that didn't get very far. San Antonio is expected to stand pat and hope the chemistry between the still-adjusting Richard Jefferson (averaging 12.1 points, lowest since his rookie season) and the rest of the team comes together by April. The Spurs do have the expiring contracts of Mason and Bonner to work with, but both are solid role players in Gregg Popovich's system.
    Were ed

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    I continue to say look in the eastern conference: Philly and Indiana are both looking to make money trades, and are willing to move talent.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=ykx4tbo
    this plus our 2010 1st would probably get Murphy.

    I'd prefer this though
    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=ygmzkeu
    again, adding our 2010 1st. Jefferson has been a lousy fit...

    In both cases, we are not handcuffing ourselves for the renegotiated CBA in 2012


    Finally, I'd talk to Philly. They will deal to move contracts, and I am not sure if they have any real hopes of either the Pheonix (Amare) or Cleveland (Big Z in a buyout) deals for Iguolda are going to be made. They might very well be stuck with a spurs offer like this:
    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yl2umtg
    or even
    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yhuly7c
    Again, in both cases our 2010 1st would be moved...

    Here, Iguolda's deal extend beyond 2012, but he's simply worth it. He'd be just such a better fit than Jefferson.

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    From Twitter Marc Stein just tweeted a couple minutes ago: STEIN_LINE_HQ
    Just filed to ESPN.com: Mavs-Wiz trade talks have only gotten more serious this afternoon. Many sources say sides closing in on a deal.

    If mavs can get haywood and butler for Howard and another expiring that's a great deal for the Mavs
    Wiz are idiots if they don't insist on getting Rodrigue Beaubois in return. Otherwise, its pretty lopsided in favor of Dallas.

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    I would love to see a massive move by the Spurs, trading Duncan and Manu

    Duncan to the Nuggets for Nene/Anderson/JR Smith/assorted draft picks

    Duncan to the Mavs would be cool as well, Dirk+Duncan+Kidd+Terry

    I just think the Spurs need to admit they cannot win with Tim, they just don't have the pieces to bring him another ring

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    Looks like Mavs are getting Butler and Haywood..great..

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    I would love to see a massive move by the Spurs, trading Duncan and Manu

    Duncan to the Nuggets for Nene/Anderson/JR Smith/assorted draft picks

    Duncan to the Mavs would be cool as well, Dirk+Duncan+Kidd+Terry

    I just think the Spurs need to admit they cannot win with Tim, they just don't have the pieces to bring him another ring
    Wow

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    Mavericks on verge of trading Josh Howard
    5:20 PM Fri, Feb 12, 2010 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
    Eddie Sefko/Reporter Bio | E-mail | News tips

    The Mavericks appear to have agreed on the major points of a trade that will send Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, Quinton Ross and James Singleton to Washington for Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson.

    The deal is not done. But a source said that the pieces of the trade have been tentatively agreed upon.

    The trade would require league approval, which could take until after All-Star Weekend.

    The Mavericks and Wizards have been trade partners before, when Dallas acquired Devin Harris and Jerry Stackhouse for Antawn Jamison in 2004. That was a trade that both teams viewed as a success.

    Washington apparently has become resigned to the fact that Haywood, their center who is having a solid season, would not re-sign this summer when he is a free agent.

    That, plus the fact that the Wizards will save a ton of money if the deal goes down, is their motivation.

    The Mavericks drafted Howard in 2003 and he has enjoyed great successes, although he has been prone to controversial moments.

    He's been struggling this year to recover from off-season ankle surgery but has played well lately. Next season, his contract is a team option, which could yield a payroll savings of $11 million for the Wizards.

    --Eddie Sefko
    http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archi...osh-howar.html

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    Mavericks on verge of trading Josh Howard
    5:20 PM Fri, Feb 12, 2010 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
    Eddie Sefko/Reporter Bio | E-mail | News tips

    The Mavericks appear to have agreed on the major points of a trade that will send Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, Quinton Ross and James Singleton to Washington for Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson.

    The deal is not done. But a source said that the pieces of the trade have been tentatively agreed upon.

    The trade would require league approval, which could take until after All-Star Weekend.

    The Mavericks and Wizards have been trade partners before, when Dallas acquired Devin Harris and Jerry Stackhouse for Antawn Jamison in 2004. That was a trade that both teams viewed as a success.

    Washington apparently has become resigned to the fact that Haywood, their center who is having a solid season, would not re-sign this summer when he is a free agent.

    That, plus the fact that the Wizards will save a ton of money if the deal goes down, is their motivation.

    The Mavericks drafted Howard in 2003 and he has enjoyed great successes, although he has been prone to controversial moments.

    He's been struggling this year to recover from off-season ankle surgery but has played well lately. Next season, his contract is a team option, which could yield a payroll savings of $11 million for the Wizards.

    --Eddie Sefko
    http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archi...osh-howar.html
    Damn, that's a pretty significant upgrade for the Mavs.

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    What about TP for a legit big man like bosh or amare. I know Amare D isn't that great but his offensive skills...
    +1

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    Damn, that's a pretty significant upgrade for the Mavs.
    Yup. If Rick Carlisle is a good coach at all, he should be able to get the 3 seed at worst.

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    Mavericks on verge of trading Josh Howard
    5:20 PM Fri, Feb 12, 2010 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
    Eddie Sefko/Reporter Bio | E-mail | News tips

    The Mavericks appear to have agreed on the major points of a trade that will send Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, Quinton Ross and James Singleton to Washington for Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson.

    The deal is not done. But a source said that the pieces of the trade have been tentatively agreed upon.

    The trade would require league approval, which could take until after All-Star Weekend.

    The Mavericks and Wizards have been trade partners before, when Dallas acquired Devin Harris and Jerry Stackhouse for Antawn Jamison in 2004. That was a trade that both teams viewed as a success.

    Washington apparently has become resigned to the fact that Haywood, their center who is having a solid season, would not re-sign this summer when he is a free agent.

    That, plus the fact that the Wizards will save a ton of money if the deal goes down, is their motivation.

    The Mavericks drafted Howard in 2003 and he has enjoyed great successes, although he has been prone to controversial moments.

    He's been struggling this year to recover from off-season ankle surgery but has played well lately. Next season, his contract is a team option, which could yield a payroll savings of $11 million for the Wizards.

    --Eddie Sefko
    http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archi...osh-howar.html
    Why the Mavs FO can make such a trade and we have nothing around ?
    it's just killing me I'm so mad right now
    Butler and Haywood were the perfect guys gor us kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
    I want a trade!!!!!!
    I don't care trade Manu Parker Jefferson everybody except Duncan but Please Move your ass spurs FO!!!!!
    You made a mistake with so wake upppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp you basterds

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    Mavericks on verge of trading Josh Howard
    5:20 PM Fri, Feb 12, 2010 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
    Eddie Sefko/Reporter Bio | E-mail | News tips

    The Mavericks appear to have agreed on the major points of a trade that will send Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, Quinton Ross and James Singleton to Washington for Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson.

    The deal is not done. But a source said that the pieces of the trade have been tentatively agreed upon.

    The trade would require league approval, which could take until after All-Star Weekend.

    The Mavericks and Wizards have been trade partners before, when Dallas acquired Devin Harris and Jerry Stackhouse for Antawn Jamison in 2004. That was a trade that both teams viewed as a success.

    Washington apparently has become resigned to the fact that Haywood, their center who is having a solid season, would not re-sign this summer when he is a free agent.

    That, plus the fact that the Wizards will save a ton of money if the deal goes down, is their motivation.

    The Mavericks drafted Howard in 2003 and he has enjoyed great successes, although he has been prone to controversial moments.

    He's been struggling this year to recover from off-season ankle surgery but has played well lately. Next season, his contract is a team option, which could yield a payroll savings of $11 million for the Wizards.

    --Eddie Sefko
    http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archi...osh-howar.html
    well.... that's not good. the spurs should already be worried about the mavs and now will have to worry even more.

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    Ive heard the deal is Butler and Stevenson for Howard and thats it.

    Which if true is good for the Spurs, one less Spur killer around.

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    only thing good about this is that this might increase the chances of the Spurs making a trade because of the Mavs are in the same division, and if you can win your division you get one of the top 3 spots in the playoffs

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    well.... that's not good. the spurs should already be worried about the mavs and now will have to worry even more.
    Personally, I haven't been worried about the Mavs since the '07 playoffs. If this trade comes to fruition, I probably would be again. We'll have to see how the pieces fit, but on paper, this is a significant upgrade. I know Butler's having a down year, but he's in his prime and was, less than two years ago, the fourth best small forward in the game. Haywood has been fed up with the Wizards shenanigans for a long time (I suspect Butler grew tired of them this year as well), so I suspect both will be liberated by this move...

    Mavericks


    Starters: PF- Nowitzki, SF- Marion, C- Haywood, SG- Butler, PG- Kidd

    Bench: SG/PG- Terry, C- Dampier, PG- Barea, PF/SF- Thomas, PG- Beaubois, SG- Stevenson, PF- Najera

    Inactive: SG- Carroll

    Wizards


    Starters: PF- Jamison, SF- Howard, C- Blatche, SG- Miller, PG- Foye

    Bench: PG- Boykins, PF/C- Gooden, SG- Young, C/PF- McGee, SF/PF- McGuire, C/PF- Oberto, PG/SG- James

    Inactive: PF- Singleton, SG- Ross, PG- Arenas, PG/SG- Crittenton

    The Mavs would still lack a true shooting guard, something they've lacked since Finley, but overall, they should get much better from this trade and may legitimately become better than the Spurs now. To this point, I hadn't considered the Mavs above the Spurs, despite the slight difference in the standings.

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