If this trade goes through without the Wizards getting Beaubois back and a 1st rounder at least the Wizards are beyond re ed.
I tend to be of the same opinion (and have made similar posts), but the Wiz are also VERY cash-strpped. This move saves them the 10.5M they owe Butler next year. Howard's nearly 12M next year is a team option, which I'm willing to bet the Wiz wouldn't pick up. Sadly, its Gilbert's absurd contract that is KILLING the Wiz.
If that's the case you only offer Butler for Howard straight up and try to pry a 1st round pick as well.
Then use Haywood in completely different trade. I'm pretty sure they can do better than Gooden for Haywood straight up.
Basically it's like Spurs getting Haywood for Bonner and Finley straight up with Finley coming back after 30 days.
If this trade pushes through, it definitely helps Dallas.
Haywood for Gooden makes no sense for Washington, but we'll have to see what the final deal looks like. My understanding from all the reporting is that Dallas has to take Stevenson (and the 4M he is due next season) if they want Haywood.
If the trade is Howard, Gooden, Ross, and Singleton for Butler, Haywood, and Stevenson, then Washington saves about 3M in salary and tax this season and about 15M in salary next season. They also get well under the cap for next season.
From what I'm reading that's precisely the issue going on in the negotiations (see lucker23's earlier post re: Wojnarowski's article). If it were up to the Wiz I think it would be a straight up deal (plus some minor parts), but the Mavs are insisting on Haywood (aka, Damps 2.0).
The concern for the Wiz is that if they piss off Cuban by stonewalling on Haywood, that the Mav's won't agree to take Butler's contract. Mavs really have most of the leverage in this deal, especially because talent-wise Butler for Howard is really a lateral move (see my post above).
Butler for Howard is not a lateral move for the Wizards. Wizards aren't trying to win this year. Howard is going to be a 2 month rental to close out their horrifying season. They shouldn't measure value in the trade that comes with the player of the expiring contract for Butler. They should value assets for the future.
Why get value in a player back that has an expiring contract oppose to future assets if you are destined for the lottery?
I'm convinced Kill Bill Pana or Sequ (with all due respect) could be a better GM that the one over there in Washington.
As Simmons stated via twitter
www.twitter.com/sportsguy33
" If that Wash-Dallas trade happens, the Wizards should cancel "Throw Feces At Our Fans" Night because it would be redundant."
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 02-13-2010 at 03:03 PM.
You lost me bud...
Recapping some points
1. I guess I haven't been around long enough to get the Kill Bill/Sequ reference.
2. Simmon's is most likely reacting to the Haywood part of the trade (i.e, not getting enough value in return), not the Howard for Butler portion.
3. I never argued that the Howard-Bulter trade was a lateral move for the Wiz; I argued it was a lateral move for Dallas talent-wise. The bigger point was that Dallas has the leverage in the trade negotiations because without including Haywood, it is unlikely that Dallas would also agree to take on Butler's contract. I have NO DOUBT that if the Wiz had more chips in the game that they would aggressively push for future picks or even Rodrigue, but they don't.
4. Wiz are more concerned with cap relief at this point than anything else. I'm not suggesting that their is a "proper" way to value talent or not.
That's the deal. Talent upgrade for Mavs, 18M in cost savings for Washington.
From Mark Stein:
Mavs and Wizards have completed their trade call with the league office. Deal will be announced later tonight. Seven-player swap in the end
DAL gets Butler, Haywood and Stevenson as was always the case once teams agreed Friday. WASH gets Josh Howard, Gooden, Q. Ross and Singleton
http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ
i just wonder will blatche finally go off in dc now in the middle?!?
Man this is awesome. The most excited I've been in a while about a trade. Howard has had his worst season in his career this year. His athleticism looks gone.
The Wizards are making a terrible trade, wtf? Throwing in an expiring Haywood and not at least getting back a 1st? Getting nothing for Butler? Not even a first?
There really does need to be an NBA trade committee.
We are probably screwed regardless...but if we stand pat and don't push for the Thomas trade we are really screwed. This trade puts us even further behind the impact teams.
however, this does make me hate Dallas a bit less because I'm a big Butler fan.
this looks to be an amazing trade for them.
The trade will be finalized tonight. The trade is:
Singleton
Ross
Gooden
Howard
for
Haywood
Butler
Stevenson
for real this goes beyond being not fair rotflmao
then again it gives me hope next season we can get something for rj
That would be a dream, they both adress a need of us: AI the defensive wing and Dalembert the tall athletic bigman.
Do you think the Sixers would go for this + a draft pick, money and/or wathever they want to make the deal work?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yhhk8ag
Only if you considered the Mavs legitimately better than the Spurs to begin with; I didn't. I think this trade gives them the potential to be and I agree that the Spurs need to do something, preferably acquire Thomas, but the Mavs still aren't legit contenders with this trade and the problem lies in the core. I consider Butler a legit number two star, but when it get's down to the money season and in crunch time in a playoff game, I'm not confident in Nowitzki, Butler and Terry, as the three main scorers. I'd take Bryant, Gasol and Odom, Anthony, Billups and Nene and Duncan, Parker and Ginobili, before I'd take that trio.
The Mavs are capable of getting past the Spurs with this trade (mainly because this gives them a second center to throw at Duncan and he happens to be better than the in bent), capable of getting past the Jazz, maybe even the Nuggets (though I doubt it), but there's no chance they beat the Lakers in a series and really, that's what it's all about. It's not about going from being the 4th or 5th best team in the conference to the 2nd or (far more likely) 3rd best team in the conference.
fwiw, Washington still has a trade exception due to the Pecherov trade according to the trade machine, so if the Spurs wanted to dump Mahinmi the Wizards would be a candidate.
I feel stupider...........
this might be the dumbest thing i've ever read. Spurfan is better than this (usually)
@ Tyrus Thomas being the new "savior"
that really is hilarious
In your case I didn't think that was possible.
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