How valuable is Pau Gasol?..

[DPG21920]

Please. It is called logic and common sense. You are basing your argument off the fact that CLE for one game was missing players and only lost by two to a team that sucks complete ass this year?

If CLE lost Lebron James and lets say Anderson V. for a string of games and played UTAH in UTAH, POR in POR and SA (even though they are terrible), not only would they likely not win (by double digits), they would likely lose by double digits.

Also at picking out one thing and clinging to it when it does not take away from the point of my OP. Which was that many of your brothers were arguing that CLE supporting cast > LA's.

[DPG21920]

Denver without Melo was smoking playoff teams. New Orleans without CP3 is beating playoff teams. The Jazz lost Deron Williams and beat the Lebrons anyway. Apparently the Lakers outside of Kobe dont hold a patent on not folding like a deck of cards.



How do you know that? How many times have you seen it to make the call?

I remember the Cavs last season played a game without Lebron, Mo Williams, Delonte West, or Ilgauskus, and the 76ers who were fighting for playoff positioning at the time needed overtime to beat them by 2 points. And that was vs the Cavs bench scrubs. This isnt the Cavs from 2007, they have a very good team of players who function as a team.

I didnt say they were more talented the Lakers cast. I was responding to this:



Which is pure bull and unsupported by anything aside from your little spurs imagination.

Also, if you only took issue to that portion, why bring up NO & the Jazz?

[DazedAndConfused]

Earlier in the season when Kobe was 100% physically he was playing some truly amazing basketball. Probably the best of his career. Shooting over 50% from the field, great shot selection, finding teammates, etc. Since his never ending list of nagging injuries has piled up his efficiency has taken a marked drop and I would say his performance at times is detrimental to the team.

However, when Kobe is on the floor other players have to stop deferring to Kobe all of the time. They are simply lazy and would rather have Bryant shoulder the pressure. What you are seeing now is a team that doesn't have its crutch and realizing that they need to give 100% effort in order to win games.

Another point that is not being mentioned is the fact that Bynum is out as well. It's no secret the Laker's offense runs best when Odom and Pau are together. That, more than anything, is the reason why the Lakers appear to be gelling so well right now. They have length, speed, and quickness at every position and they are running the triangle to perfection.

[j.dizzle]

Earlier in the season when Kobe was 100% physically he was playing some truly amazing basketball. Probably the best of his career. Shooting over 50% from the field, great shot selection, finding teammates, etc. Since his never ending list of nagging injuries has piled up his efficiency has taken a marked drop and I would say his performance at times is detrimental to the team.

However, when Kobe is on the floor other players have to stop deferring to Kobe all of the time. They are simply lazy and would rather have Bryant shoulder the pressure. What you are seeing now is a team that doesn't have its crutch and realizing that they need to give 100% effort in order to win games.

Another point that is not being mentioned is the fact that Bynum is out as well. It's no secret the Laker's offense runs best when Odom and Pau are together. That, more than anything, is the reason why the Lakers appear to be gelling so well right now. They have length, speed, and quickness at every position and they are running the triangle to perfection.

Son, dont worry..Zenmaster has a nice big smile on his face as I type. Any coach in the league would love to have his problems right now..Hmmm what do I do when my superstar & 15&10 center come back?

[picc84]

Please. It is called logic and common sense. You are basing your argument off the fact that CLE for one game was missing players and only lost by two to a team that sucks complete ass this year?

They were missing the entire starting lineup. And against a team that took the Magic to as many games as Lebron did in the ECF.

And that was last year, when they were worse. So obviously they're a little better than your agenda wants them to be.

If CLE lost Lebron James and lets say Anderson V. for a string of games and played UTAH in UTAH, POR in POR and SA (even though they are terrible), not only would they likely not win (by double digits), they would likely lose by double digits.

Why? Because YOU say so? The Hornets lost CP3 and raped the Celtics, so clearly these NBA teams are not as bad as you think they are. And the Hornets w/o CP are WORSE than the Cavs w/o Lebron. If they played the SA Geriatrics at home, they would probably win. If they played Portland minus Roy, Outlaw, Oden, etc. like we did, they would probably win. And if they played Utah on the tail end of a b2b they would at least have a chance. lol @ you thinking the Cavs are still playing Drew Gooden and Eric Snow.

Also at picking out one thing and clinging to it when it does not take away from the point of my OP. Which was that many of your brothers were arguing that CLE supporting cast > LA's.

That wasn't the point of your OP.

Also, if you only took issue to that portion, why bring up NO & the Jazz?

What part of me bringing that up makes you think i'm saying the Cavs outside of Lebron are better than the Lakers outside of Kobe?

I'm just pointing out that a lot of teams have lost key players and gone on to win big games. It doesn't mean that the Lakers have more talent than the rest of the league. Winning a few games w/o a star player doesn't mean . Everybody does that.

Cause the Jazz beat the Lebrons w/o Deron, does that mean they're the best team in the league? Should we favor them for the le? Cause the Hornets started raping teams after CP3 went down, does that mean they should waive him? They beat the Celtics, and the Magic needed a 50 point game from 2002 Vince Carter to beat them. Damn, NO must be a top 3 talent in the league.

The Lakers last 3 games doesn't prove they're the most talented team in the league. And the Cavs would still beat good teams if they lost Lebron, some of them comfortably. Thats what i'm saying, not that Varejao and Mo Williams are better than Odom and Gasol.

[DPG21920]

Winning a few games? Or rolling teams by double digits that are in the West playoffs? Also, if you don't think my OP was about people saying CLE's supporting cast > LA's, then why did I say this:

All I know is, when you watch this Laker team without Kobe you can see clearly how much better his supporting cast is than anyone else's. That is not a knock, but the truth. Kudos for building such an amazing team.

This certainly puts to bed the Cavs supporting cast vs LA's supporting cast argument. If the Cavs lost Lebron + a key big, they would be losing by 12-15 points a game. Instead, you get LA cruising by teams that are in the playoffs out West.

Also, no, if the Cavs lost Lebron + Andy and played the teams LA did, they would not win. How do you know they would? Have you seen them do it and win by double digits? If not, it is just your unfounded speculation.

Also, how do you know the Hornets without CP3 are worse than the Cavs without Lebron? How did you come to that conclusion?

[ChrisRichards]

However, when Kobe is on the floor other players have to stop deferring to Kobe all of the time. They are simply lazy and would rather have Bryant shoulder the pressure. What you are seeing now is a team that doesn't have its crutch and realizing that they need to give 100% effort in order to win games.

Kobe's teammates does not defer to him as most of you so called Laker fans put it.


Half of the time Kobe dribbles the ball for 18 seconds and passes it to a unaware teammate who is not in position or rhythm. So naturally they pass the ball back to Kobe so that he can make his ESPN highlight 20 footer shot clock buzzer beater..


The other half when his teammates sets up the offense, Kobe freaking BARKS at them for not passing the ball. He constantly berates these guys when they miss a shot. im like Kobe, are you ing kidding me? You have the worst shot selection and is a career 45% shooter and you're going to get mad at Lamar or Pau Gasol because they missed a shot? Get ing real.

Id like to try his at Ron Artest. Ron will break his neck if he even says a word in his face. He can't handle Ron lol.


Son, that's not basketball.

[picc84]

Winning a few games? Or rolling teams by double digits that are in the West playoffs?

Son, i'm not saying the Lakers aren't good without Kobe. I said beating the Geriatrics, the corpse of the Blazers, and Utah on a b2b for 3 games doesn't mean they're the most talented team in the league. The Nuggets lost Melo and beat the dog out of the full strength Lakers and the Spurs. Good teams survive one way or another.

Also, if you don't think my OP was about people saying CLE's supporting cast > LA's, then why did I say this

"ANYONE ELSE" = the Cavaliers? I thought you were talking about the entire league, since thats who ANYONE ELSE is.

Also, no, if the Cavs lost Lebron + Andy and played the teams LA did, they would not win. How do you know they would? Have you seen them do it and win by double digits? If not, it is just your unfounded speculation.

Then we're clear, we both dont know , only i'm not the one who gets mad at "unfounded speculation" after telling people EXACTLY what would happen in a future hypothetical situation.

[DPG21920]

No, it is called using logic. You can speculate that something can happen by knowing enough about it.

Also, I specifically referenced CLE. Also, yes, LA has the most talented team overall. But especially over CLE, which was a point of debate.

[Goran Dragic]

Trying to argue Lebron has a better supporting cast than Kobe is one of the funniest things Lakerfan tries to do.

[cobbler]

Half of the time Kobe dribbles the ball for 18 seconds and passes it to a unaware teammate who is not in position or rhythm. So naturally they pass the ball back to Kobe so that he can make his ESPN highlight 20 footer shot clock buzzer beater...

Really? 50% of the time Kobe dribbles the ball for 18 seconds? Laughable! Just another completely made up BS stat with no foundation in reality.

They pass the ball to Kobe when the shot clock is winding down just like all teams look for their go to guy in those situations. The problem is they grow to depend on him bailing them out or taking the heat and expect it too often. And Kobe being the compe or he is has no problem taking it. Now that he's not around they either step up or bite it. They are stepping up and I hope they continue to do so when Kobe and Drew return. The happy medium where the supporting cast is agressive and Kobe throttles it down a tad are when the Lakers are untouchable.

The other half when his teammates sets up the offense, Kobe freaking BARKS at them for not passing the ball. He constantly berates these guys when they miss a shot. im like Kobe, are you ing kidding me? You have the worst shot selection and is a career 45% shooter and you're going to get mad at Lamar or Pau Gasol because they missed a shot? Get ing real..

Really? I must be watching different Laker games. Does he call for the ball when he's posting up? Of course! Is he assertive in demanding the ball? Absolutely! What is wrong with that? I wish ALL the Laker players showed such passion. I haven't seen him berate guys for missing shots anymore than any other player. Again, we must be watching different games. He certainly has berated players in the past but the last several years I have rarely seen it. But according to you this happens CONSTANTLY. Hmmmm...

Thinking about it... I would say Pau and Farmar are the ones I see berating the others on a more frequent basis.

Id like to try his at Ron Artest. Ron will break his neck if he even says a word in his face. He can't handle Ron lol..

Again, not to beat a dead horse, but you must not be watching the same games I am. Ron knows his place. Ron knows who the man is. It's quite obvious from observing his play and his interviews that he puts Kobe high on the pedistal. I would prefer he didn't as much.

Son, that's not basketball.

Correct!!!! It's your delusional obsession.

[Allanon]

So where were you Gasol lovers after the 2008 Finals?

Anybody have a quote from back then saying Gasol is so great?

Y'all hate and praise Pau Gasoft when it suits your Kobe agenda.

Bunch of hypocrites

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

So where were you Gasol lovers after the 2008 Finals?

Anybody have a quote from back then saying Gasol is so great?

Y'all hate and praise Pau Gasoft when it suits your Kobe agenda.

Bunch of hypocrites

Pretty obvious your a Gasol fan yourself seeing that you joined this site right around when LA traded for Gasol.

[Allanon]

Pretty obvious your a Gasol fan yourself seeing that you joined this site right around when LA traded for Gasol.

I am a Pau Gasol fan.

But I realize he's not a #1 guy.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I am a Pau Gasol fan. But I realize he's not a #1 guy.

Fair enough. The only problem I have is Lakerfan acting like Pau is some kind of scrub. I agree that the talk of him being the #1 on LA is re ed.

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

Fair enough. The only problem I have is Lakerfan acting like Pau is some kind of scrub. I agree that the talk of him being the #1 on LA is re ed.

The only problem with this statement DUNCANownsKOBE is that you, yourself act like Steve Nash is some kind of scrub.

It seems that this particular Lakerfan and yourself are put into this predicament because you're both trolling each other and you're just not realizing it.

[Allanon]

The only problem with this statement DUNCANownsKOBE is that you, yourself act like Steve Nash is some kind of scrub.

It seems that this particular Lakerfan and yourself are put into this predicament because you're both trolling each other and you're just not realizing it.

Oh, believe me, we both realize it.

In fact, I think everybody knows they're trolling in this ridiculous thread

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

Oh, believe me, we both realize it.

I know you do.

But I think DoK might actually believe Steve Nash really is a scrub based on his post-history.

[j.dizzle]

Not knowingly, you make a perfect case as to why the Lakers will easily win the finals for the next 4-5 years.

[j.dizzle]

Yo i know Pau has had some good games this season but when did he turn into Kwame Brown hahaha fumbling balls, missing boards, choking in crunch time. etc..Is he tired or some cuz he looked way different last season

[MiamiHeat]

Kobe comes back, he 'eats first'

Gasol back to shooting under 10 shots vs Mavericks, and lakers don't play as good. in this case, they lose.

surprise surprise.

[j.dizzle]

LOL Miami hes been playing sloppy all season. I know ull bring up a few games but any Lakerfan will tell you he looked much sharper last season

[Killakobe81]

Pau is no scrub ...pretty valuable ...
but down the stretch last night and tonight he came up small ...

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I know you do.

But I think DoK might actually believe Steve Nash really is a scrub based on his post-history.

What the would you know about my post history you guzzling got? Stick to what your good at and keep deep throating Kobe.

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

What the would you know about my post history you guzzling got? Stick to what your good at and keep deep throating Kobe.

lmao two week later reply + butthurtedness