Brendan Haywood and Caron Butler close to being Mavericks

[TD 21]

I feel stupider...........

this might be the dumbest thing i've ever read. Spurfan is better than this (usually)

Why, because you're a delusional Mavs fan who thinks this vaults the Mavs into the stratosphere of the contenders? The reality is it more than likely won't and this is coming from someone who probably overrates Butler, if anything. I like Haywood too, so it's not a matter of me underrating the players coming back, I just didn't think the Mavs were very good to begin with. Terrible point differential and if not for their pulling numerous games out of their ass late (they're the king of this for about four years running), they'd have a far worse record than they do. Admit it, how impressive have the Mavs been this season? If you're honest, not very.

Don't turn this into "look at the Spurs" because we're not talking about the Spurs. We're talking about does this trade make the Mavs a legit contender and I don't think it does.

[exstatic]

Man this is awesome. The most excited I've been in a while about a trade. Howard has had his worst season in his career this year. His athleticism looks gone.

Butler isn't exactly tearing it up. Other than rebounding, his numbers are down across the board.

[badfish22]

Why, because you're a delusional Mavs fan who thinks this vaults the Mavs into the stratosphere of the contenders? The reality is it more than likely won't and this is coming from someone who probably overrates Butler, if anything. I like Haywood too, so it's not a matter of me underrating the players coming back, I just didn't think the Mavs were very good to begin with. Terrible point differential and if not for their pulling numerous games out of their ass late (they're the king of this for about four years running), they'd have a far worse record than they do. Admit it, how impressive have the Mavs been this season? If you're honest, not very.

Don't turn this into "look at the Spurs" because we're not talking about the Spurs. We're talking about does this trade make the Mavs a legit contender and I don't think it does.

I love how in your first post you say that clutch shooting is our problem, and in your second post you criticize the Mavs for winning a lot of close games. You're a ing moron......

And no, we haven't been that impressive but when you say "Only if you considered the Mavs legitimately better than the Spurs to begin with; I didn't" It confirms that your just a delusional spurfan.

[EricB]

Butler isn't exactly tearing it up. Other than rebounding, his numbers are down across the board.

That plus he's not a known "spur killer" like Josh Howard.

[TD 21]

I love how in your first post you say that clutch shooting is our problem, and in your second post you criticize the Mavs for winning a lot of close games. You're a ing moron......

And no, we haven't been that impressive but when you say "Only if you considered the Mavs legitimately better than the Spurs to begin with; I didn't" It confirms that your just a delusional spurfan.

You're obviously a novice fan. First of all, I never specifically used the term "clutch shooting" and second of all, there's a big difference between edging out run of the mill teams in the regular season and beating credible or elite compe ion in the playoffs.

I'm not at all delusional. I don't consider the Spurs to be a contender, but I consider them to be better than the Mavs. They were last season (point to the playoff series all you want, if Duncan was healthy and Ginobili was playing, I'm confident the Spurs win that) and this season, despite trailing roughly two games behind the Mavs all season in the standings, if you look at the team stats A LOT of them indicate that the Spurs are in fact the better team. Not by a landslide, but better. Like I said, this trade has the potential to change that.

[badfish22]

You're obviously a novice fan. First of all, I never specifically used the term "clutch shooting" and second of all, there's a big difference between edging out run of the mill teams in the regular season and beating credible or elite compe ion in the playoffs.

I'm not at all delusional. I don't consider the Spurs to be a contender, but I consider them to be better than the Mavs. They were last season (point to the playoff series all you want, if Duncan was healthy and Ginobili was playing, I'm confident the Spurs win that) and this season, despite trailing roughly two games behind the Mavs all season in the standings, if you look at the team stats A LOT of them indicate that the Spurs are in fact the better team. Not by a landslide, but better. Like I said, this trade has the potential to change that.

Well does this season not count? We've beaten the Spurs twice. And this trade only makes us better. So.......

yeah you're delusional and/or butthurt.

[ace3g]

now that this trade is complete, others will fall into place, I think this really forces the Spurs to make a trade because they are in the same division , and if the Spurs can atleast win their division they get one of the top 3 spots in the playoffs

[DubMcDub]

The Spurs have the talent to curbstomp the new and improved Mavs anyways.

I think it's arguable that the Spurs are even more talented than the Mavs right now. And you're claiming not only that they'd be more talented post-Mavs trade, but also that the talent gap would be big enough such as to allow for a "curb stomping"?

Rich.

[TD 21]

Well does this season not count? We've beaten the Spurs twice. And this trade only makes us better. So.......

yeah you're delusional and/or butthurt.

If I had to rank teams in the league, I'd go Spurs 7th, Mavs 8th. That gives you an indication of how close I have them and I will say it yet again: this trade gives the Mavs the chance to be legitimately better than the Spurs, but that being said, no, I never thought that before this trade the Mavs could beat a healthy Spurs team in a playoff series. Once Duncan inevitably got Dampier in foul trouble, the Mavs didn't have a single other player who could even pretend to defend him straight up and eventually they'd have had to resort to double teamms, which opens up the Spurs 3-point shooting. Having Haywood changes all that.

I'm not trying to bring you down, I know you're probably excited, as well you should be, but in the grand scheme of things, I don't see this trade making the Mavs legit contenders. I could be wrong, but that's just the way I see it.

[dallaskd]

I love how in your first post you say that clutch shooting is our problem, and in your second post you criticize the Mavs for winning a lot of close games. You're a ing moron......

And no, we haven't been that impressive but when you say "Only if you considered the Mavs legitimately better than the Spurs to begin with; I didn't" It confirms that your just a delusional spurfan.

Dallas may be the most clutch team in the NBA this season. We have won so many close games. What is like over 10 straight one point wins now? A NBA record.

[elbamba]

Dallas may be the most clutch team in the NBA this season. We have won so many close games. What is like over 10 straight one point wins now? A NBA record.

Sadly, in the playoffs, being clutch takes on a different meaning and no one on the Mavs has shown that they are clutch in the playoffs.

[MavDynasty]

butthurt spurfan just being butthurt

[duncan228]

Mavs, Wizards complete deal with Howard, Butler
By Stephen Hawkins

The Mavericks have traded forward Josh Howard and Drew Gooden to the Washington Wizards in a seven-play deal that sends Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood to the Mavericks.

Howard was in his seventh season with Dallas, a span filled with promise and disappointment since being the 29th overall pick in 2003. Gooden, signed by Dallas last summer, will be going to his eighth team in eight NBA seasons.

It is a significant move for the Southwest Division-leading Mavericks (32-20), who lost five of their last seven games before the All-Star weekend in their city.

For the Wizards (17-33), the trade means more moves for the team that has already lost Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton after both were suspended last month by the NBA for the rest of the season after both admitted to bringing a gun into the locker room after a dispute stemming from a card game on a team flight.

[VBM]

Great deal for Dallas...

[benefactor]

@ Tyrus Thomas being the new "savior"

Probably not...but as I said, it's better than doing nothing. Doing nothing pretty much secures a first round exit.

[Muser]

Dallas are damn scary now.

[DAF86]

Probably not...but as I said, it's better than doing nothing. Doing nothing pretty much secures a first round exit.

Wouldn't you rather have Igoudala and Dalembert than Thomas?

[DAF86]

Dallas are damn scary now.

They will be better than they were but I don't think they become serious contenders.

[slick'81]

yes dallas is scary timmy has to deal with 2 legit 7 footers that can defend and if butler gives them anything hes better than j-hoo

do spurs have to make a trade no but it couldnt hurt

[Chieflion]

I hate the Wizards.

[ffadicted]

Well, it's official, amazing trade for Dallas. They're a Jefferson-effect on Butler short of being up there with the Lakers/Nuggets/Magic/Cavs imo.

Jason Kidd
Jason Terry
Caron Butler
Dirk Nowitzki
Brendan Haywood

fuuuck

[slick'81]

I hate the Wizards.

ditto

[mardigan]

however, this does make me hate Dallas a bit less because I'm a big Butler fan.

I feel the same way but about Haywood. I've loved his game since his Carolina days.

[FeZZy]

i posted this when gilbert took his gun out...dammit SPURS!

[benefactor]

Only if you considered the Mavs legitimately better than the Spurs to begin with; I didn't. I think this trade gives them the potential to be and I agree that the Spurs need to do something, preferably acquire Thomas, but the Mavs still aren't legit contenders with this trade and the problem lies in the core. I consider Butler a legit number two star, but when it get's down to the money season and in crunch time in a playoff game, I'm not confident in Nowitzki, Butler and Terry, as the three main scorers. I'd take Bryant, Gasol and Odom, Anthony, Billups and Nene and Duncan, Parker and Ginobili, before I'd take that trio.

The Mavs are capable of getting past the Spurs with this trade (mainly because this gives them a second center to throw at Duncan and he happens to be better than the in bent), capable of getting past the Jazz, maybe even the Nuggets (though I doubt it), but there's no chance they beat the Lakers in a series and really, that's what it's all about. It's not about going from being the 4th or 5th best team in the conference to the 2nd or (far more likely) 3rd best team in the conference.

I think it was pretty close to even, because both teams had the ability to play well or play inconsistently. I would probably still give the Mavs an edge over the Spurs before the trade purely because they hold the psychological edge in a head to head match up...kinda like the Spurs had over the Suns.

This trade gives them another solid big to play beside Dirk and provides an instant defensive upgrade. I agree with them not being a contender, but this certainly gives them a better shot and evens out their finesse/toughness ratio.