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It's funny cause we got Jefferson #24, Mcdyess #24 in Detroit, Haislip #24 overseas, I guess it only makes since the Spurs go after Tyrus Thomas since he wears #24
Regarding salary, I personally think it's worth it for Iggy. I like the guy,and think he's a Pippin in waiting, looking for a dynasty to complete. I think Dalembert-Duncan-Iguolda-Manu-Parker (with McDyess and Hill as backups) is a repeat level lineup. The FO may disagree, or not think it's worth it...
Murphy and Dunleavy on the other hand, have potential to make us better. Dunleavy is not an upgrade on Jefferson, but would fit the role much better, for a net upgrade in the overall floor product. Murphy on the other hand, would push McDyess to the backup role. Murphy is Bonner with strong rebounding, and an ability to defend...Which is to say a strong starter. Our first 3 bigs would be Duncan - Murphy - McDyess (and then Blair), which is as good a big lineup as the Lakers, IMO. I don't think we win that series, unless Manu starts hitting shots: Kobe + Artest >= Parker (current) + Manu (Current), but we would have a chance.
It's funny cause we got Jefferson #24, Mcdyess #24 in Detroit, Haislip #24 overseas, I guess it only makes since the Spurs go after Tyrus Thomas since he wears #24
I'm so sick of the Mavs; they get whatever they want. I never believed they were better than the Spurs, but this trade just might do it. Butler is a legit number two option and Haywood gives them a second center to go against Duncan (not to mention, the Lakers front line). They still don't have a traditional shooting guard, but they have more talent and more size. Butler, less than two years ago, was the fourth best SF in the league and probably a top 25 player. I doubt he get's back to those lofty heights, but I suspect he'll more closely resemble the player he was not too long ago.
The Spurs are too damn small on the front line to deal with these other top teams in the West. I know this isn't exactly breaking news, but this trade only makes things worse in that regard. I felt confident in this team beating the Mavs in a playoff series because I knew Duncan could go to work on Dampier, eventually get him in foul trouble and when he inevitably did, they had no backup center to go against him. Now, they have a better starting center and Dampier becomes the backup center. Nowitzki is strictly a finesse player, but that's now three 6-11-7-0 players on the Mavs front line; the Spurs have one 6-11 player (in terms of their rotation). It's ridiculous.
While I still would like to see Thomas acquired (even more so now), for as long as he is, vertically he's 6-9 tops, so he wouldn't make this team significantly bigger. The Spurs should attempt to put Finley in the deal for Mason, with the two sweeteners being that they could agree to take back Pargo and also give the Bulls Mahinmi. They'd probably insist on Mason and if they do, then the Spurs should still do it, but talk to Mason beforehand and attempt to convince him that they still see him as being part of their future and that they want to re-sign him in the summer.
Butler is having a down year, and Josh Howard has always killed us so I don't mind that swap.
Haywood gives the Mavs quality in their front-line depth and now they have the right personnel to contend and match up against the Lakers better than anyone in the West.
I don't agree Spurs should go after Pargo and Thomas at the expense of Bonner/Mason/Mahimni. Having Pargo in your rotation along with Parker (Parker/Pargo/Hill/Manu/RJ) would make our perimeter defense more vulnerable and less athletic. Oppose to (Parker/Salmons/Hill/Manu/RJ).
I don't understand why some of you think a back up point guard is a necessity. George Hill is more than capable to provide 10-15 minutes a game as the back up point guard. he's been perhaps the best back up point guard the Spurs have ever had in franchise history.
We don't need Pargo even if he was playing as well as he was in 2008.
I would much rather try to acquire Salmons instead in a proposed package deal of Thomas/Salmons for Bonner/ Mason/Finley/ Mahimni. It would improve our perimeter and interior defense, not to mention both are active players off the ball on the offensive and defensive end.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 02-13-2010 at 08:17 PM.
I suspect Butler will be liberated playing on a credible team and even if he somehow weren't, he's still better than Howard. Haywood is just as important (if not even more important) a pickup for the Mavs; I'm not sure how you "don't mind" the trade? Now the Mavs can throw Haywood and Dampier at Duncan in a series, so they won't have to resort to Gooden and double teams, which means less open looks from 3 for the Spurs. It changes everything.
Theoretically, I agree. In reality, I still think the Nuggets are superior to the Mavs.
Pargo would be a throw in (because the Bulls have no use for him) and would provide the Spurs with insurance in case of injury to Parker or Hill; he wouldn't actually be in the rotation. My guess is he'd be the 11th man in a 10 man rotation. Of course I'd take Salmons over Pargo, but I doubt the Spurs will for financial reasons. That's why I said if the Spurs take Pargo, they're doing the Bulls a small favor and maybe that allows them to get away with Finley instead of Mason, though I doubt it.
It's not a necessity, but it'd be nice to have a third PG that isn't an SG masquerading as a PG.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yhemf2z
Toss in Mahinmi if Chicago wants some legit talent back, but I think this makes sense for both teams, it clears up any obligation to Thomas and Salmons next year and gets them some extra cap space to chase Wade/Lebron/Bosh/Johnson/etc.. etc...
Michael Finley and Roger Mason has fallen off the rotation as of late, and Matt Bonner just hasn't been the same since the injury. I don't know what other offers Chicago are getting, but if SA offered this package up I would think they'd take it.
Parker/Ginobili/Hill/Salmons/RJ
Duncan/McDyess/Thomas/Blair
I like it, even though it doesn't put a legit defensive big besides Duncan, but with Haywood gone, who are we gonna get that does that? Plus, it makes the spurs even younger, and I can see Thomas blooming with all the attention Duncan gets
The only problem with this I guess would be signing Ginobili this summer, so it depends how much the FO really wants to spend.
Last edited by ffadicted; 02-13-2010 at 09:00 PM.
Spurs are not going to make a trade to keep up with Dallas. They will only make a trade if it puts them on par with the Lakers. Otherwise, they loose all of their salary flexibilty for next year.
Not with the Salmons/Thomas deal. They don't have to keep Thomas and Salmons contract next season is as good as they are going to do for a player with his skill set.
I like Bonner, Mason, and Finley for Thomas and Salmons. If Chicago wants a pick as well though, it'd make me really hesitant.
I'm for standing pat. There can only be one champion and I don't see a trade that can put us over the top for this year or next at this time. I'd rather take my chances with trying to land Bosh over the summer and a trade of RJ for a couple players of need.
In what fantasy world are you living in
So now that Haywood is not an opt, what now? If the Spurs don't do something it shows we're tanking. Imo. We traded because of what the Mavs done to us. Bulter wouldn't matter, but Haywood is what hurts. The Mavs are my second fav team but if we don't do somthing, the Mavs will be my #1.
What kind of spurs fan are you lol
I live in Dallas so I see a lot of Mavs games when the Spurs aren't playing.What kind of spurs fan are you lol
So I guess you have the inside knowledge on where Bosh would like to go, next year. Yeah, I can see why he would want to stay in Canada with all of their additonal taxes. Yeah, Texas, where he is a native, is a horrible place to work with no income tax and the snow free winters of San Antonio. Now, that Dallas has played its hand, if Bosh wants to come back to Texas, Dallas will not be an option. You can call it fantasy if you want, but it is more of a real possiblity than thinking Thomas and Salmons will do any more for the Spurs than take up additional cash and roster space.In what fantasy world are you living in
Nobody is going to want RJ, not the way he's performing and with his contract. It doesn't matter where Bosh wants to go, it's flat out impossible to get him, he has stated he wants to be the clear cut franchise player and that means he wants a max.
The Spurs have 56 million in guaranteed salaries for next season. The salary cap this year was 57 million and it's expected to drop. But hey, I'm sure the Spurs could sell Bosh on all your reasons and get him to accept the MLE. Go get 'em, RC.
We have no chance of landing Bosh..over the summer...or ever
Yeah, that 57 million really held down the salary this year. RJs expiring contract is a jewel in the world of trades for next year. Its funny how everyone says will never happen and no way, but how many of you would think that Shaq and Amare could actually be playing with the Cavs come playoff time last year? The reality because of the way salary is structured and the fact that over half of the NBA teams lose money, anything can happen short of Kobe, Howard, and LeBron.
Sign and trade Manu, Bonner, plus. It could happen. Better going for the gusto than thinking your going to compete for a championship with Chicago's disposables.
Your Bosh trade has about a 0.1% chance of happening. Do you actually realize this?
Why would Manu want to play for the Raptors? You do know that Manu has to agree to the sign and trade right? Manu will probably only go to a Championship contender if he can't resign with the Spurs. I'd also be willing to say that Manu would sign for half as much to not play in Toronto if the choice is between teams like LA, Cleveland, Denver. I don't want to say it, but Dallas could even be on his list after this trade. lol imagine that as the topper. Dallas get Manu too.
Even if Manu were willing, the Raptors will get many better offers if they ever get to the point of trading Bosh.
There is no remotely reasonable scenario in which Bosh becomes a Spur. They can't sign him as a FA and they don't have the assets to get him in a trade. It's really that simple.
Those are better odds than believing Salmons and Thomas will deliver you a ring this year.Your Bosh trade has about a 0.1% chance of happening. Do you actually realize this?
It's quite amazing that people still don't understand this..
As I said before, there should be a ban here on mentioning Bosh..
yeah bosh for manu isnt happening for tim tony or manu
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