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My reaction to this trade.Seems like every day the Spurs get more and more ed
We needed something like this more than the Mavs . .
Yeah right lol, they will have this oh we came close to getting so and so but it fell through and we will end up with some minor trade. I can see it nowBefore they were not close? How many of their games were blowouts this year? One went to OT and the other was close as well (Spurs won the other big). The Mavs are a tough matchup for the Spurs, but to say they were not a good matchup pre trade you are wrong, they were VERY CLOSELY matched (Neither a great team either).
I agree the Mavs are their toughest matchup, well sides LA (Utah this year was bad too), it's obvious LA is in everyones way right now and would win a series against either of us.
My reaction to this trade.Seems like every day the Spurs get more and more ed
We needed something like this more than the Mavs . .
Says a dude who has Mavdynasty as his name when they haven't won one damn le. That makes sense.
The Spurs did match up well with the Mavs, particularly in a playoff series. Think about it, once Duncan inevitably got Dampier in foul trouble, the Mavs didn't have a single other player to throw at him that could even dream of guarding him straight up. This meant that they'd have had to either double and give up a barrage of open threes or play him straight up and live with him approximating what he did to them in the '06 series. With Haywood, that changes everything. Now the Mavs have two center-sized bigs to throw at him and likely won't have to double team him.
You don't even know me but you're going to tell me that timvp "obviously knows a lot more than me about basketball"? That's extremely ignorant. I guess because he has a million more posts than me that it automatically makes him more credible. I don't give a damn what timvp disagrees with. Unlike you and many on this board, I don't bow down to him just because he's a moderator. Have some self respect and stop sucking up to some random guy on a message board.
The Mavs used to be a tough match-up for the Spurs, back in '06. This year (at least pre-trade) ,it was the Spurs who were the deeper team, with far more fire power and they were still slightly better defensively. Nowitzki is the one guy the Spurs don't have a good match-up for, but other than that, the Mavs would have had to rely on the Spurs either being injured or flat out beating themselves in order to get past them.
Brendan Haywood
Height w/o shoes - 6'11.75"
Height w/shoes - 7'1"
Wingspan - 7'5.5"
Standing reach - 9'5.5"
This dude is huge, and long.
great this nightmare season continues
The Spurs matched up with the Mavs this season better than they have in years (that's evident in watching their matchups this season). The Mavs have just gotten older, slower and smaller. This trade is great for Dallas because they gave away a little and got a lot in return. Whether or not the Spurs still match up decently with the Mavericks is irrelevant because San Antonio is not a legitimate le contender. Not sure the Mavs are either...but this trade is an excellent step in the right direction because they finally have a legit post presence and add needed scoring that they've been missing with the absence of Josh Howard. I've always criticized Mark Cuban's ability to make quality personnel decisions, but this is a good one.
This trade just put Dallas ahead of us even more.
RJ better step up his game if this team doesnt trade.
Gasol-esque trade, Mavs went in with sandpaper and no lube.
But why are the Mavs behind the Spurs if they have beaten them twice? You never answered that.
btw you are the only spurfan who seems to have this opinion in this thread. Must spurfans are rational.
Because you have zero championships.
San Antonio hasn't won anything in a while. I'd say it's like being without a championship after this long of a period. LA is definitely the big favoirtes. Denver the second. They beat us and are quicker than us.
It's difficult for me to care about this trade too much. Prior to the trade, the Mavs would have been the favorite against the Spurs in the playoffs. The Mavs were built perfectly to exploit the Spurs' weaknesses -- specifically the lack of size and mobility next to Duncan.
Now? It's pretty much the same. Instead of having just Dampier to throw against Duncan, they have Dampier and Haywood ... which obviously isn't good news for the Spurs. Against most teams, Butler is an upgrade over Howard for the Mavs. However, against the Spurs, I'd say it's about a wash. The Spurs could never guard Howard because they didn't have the right type of athlete to put against him. On top of that, Howard played with the utmost of confidence against the Spurs. As it stands, Butler is the better player but I doubt he'd be too much of an improvement over how Howard routinely destroys San Antonio. Plus, what does this trade do to the minutes of Spur Killer Jason Terry? That's not too clear at this point.
I still give the edge to the Mavs in a series against the Spurs. I don't think their odds improved that much from pre-trade though. Thus, I won't lose any sleep over this trade. The Spurs have much bigger problems than a team that already would have beaten them moving around some talent.
In the big picture, however, this was a very good trade for the Mavs. Before the trade, they had no shot at a championship. After the trade, they are still huge underdogs but there is a chance. Caron Butler has never played with a legit ball distributing point guard before. Kidd could help him blossom and reach his full potential. Going from playing with point guards like Arenas and Chucky Atkins to Kidd can do nothing but help.
Haywood will also help, especially against the bigger and tougher frontlines. Motivation and effort has been a problem for Haywood at some points in his career but it being a contract year should make that a non-issue. Not to mention how he'll be going from the worst passing team in the NBA to one of the best.
The best part of this trade for the Mavs is that it doesn't hurt them long term. They have this year and next year to give it a go and then return to having flexibility. Usually in this type of salary dump, a team has to mortgage their future. In this deal, Cuban just basically bought a chance at a championship without busting his payroll structure.
The Lakers are still the huge favorite in the West. I'd say the Nuggets remain second. After the trade, the Mavs are a solid third. The Jazz might have like a 0.1% chance ... but I give no chance to the rest of the Western Conference as it stands.
Oh, ok
LOL a while? Well thats two years without one now if you count the playoffs! Just 07 hahahha. Good point there! Better than well, NEVER.......
Welp as you said it we are done now, or atleast this yea as it stands. No need to even watch anymore man
I want them to get all the rings they can with this team, after Timmay gets too old or Parker or Manu leaves it's a long drought, this is the last we got for a while admit it or not.
i was hoping butler and haywood would be in rockets jerseys, but mavs?
that definitely makes them better
Do you think if the wizards don't express the option on Howard we sign him for like 7 or 8 mil and we finally get him?
Jeebus man, back off the ledge.Welp as you said it we are done now, or atleast this yea as it stands. No need to even watch anymore man
I want them to get all the rings they can with this team, after Timmay gets too old or Parker or Manu leaves it's a long drought, this is the last we got for a while admit it or not.
The Spurs have remade themselves time and time again during the Duncan era, and as long as he's on this squad the Spurs have a chance.
Are they playing at a compe ive level right now? No. Do they have it in them as currently constructed? Probably not. But is it time to call it quits and give up on your team? Never!
There is still time this year for the Spurs FO to make moves and/or for the Spurs' players to step up. And next year it's a whole new ball game. Spurs still have a chance to get #5 yet...
Believe.
You miss the bigger point. The trade makes it much less likely that somebody else would beat the Mavs before the Spurs would play them.
You miss the even bigger point. Even if the Spurs are to somehow avoid the Mavs, they still have no chance in against the Lakers. This trade changes nothing in that regard.
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Um, if the Mavs had traded Howard and Gooden for Wes Unseld and Elvin Hayes, that wouldn't have changed.
Mavs must be convinced Howard is never gonna get better from his injuries to give him up. That could prove to be accurate, or it could turn out to make them look like chumps, time will tell.
Haywood is obviously an upgrade over any C they have, but that's a lot of pieces to try and integrate at this late point in the season and the Mavs give up a lot of players (read: depth) for one overrated SF (Butler) who will go from being the main scorer on a team to being the second banana on another.
Still, it's worth the gamble for the Mavs. But I'm not quaking in my boots as a Spurs fan, and no one else should be either.
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