Air Force

[chode_regulator]

You'll likely live in the barracks for 3+ years until you make rank. It's not like Army barracks, more like a college dorm room on most AF bases. The location is up to the USAF. You could be close to home, or in Korea, or North Dakota. You can go to school when the mission permits it. I couldn't really attend my first two years because I was on rotating shifts every couple of weeks.

The thing to recognize is that it's not about you, it's about the mission, which ALWAYS comes first. Your first post came off like this was some part time gig to get you through school. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's a whole different way of life, 24/7/365.

Barracks life is the . Wish I had spent more time in the barracks. Way better than college dorms.
Even if you join primarily for school benefits its cool. Just know its serious and be ready to bend over backwards.

Unless congress has changed the law, you only pay taxes on your base pay. When you are authorized to live off base, you will get adequate housing allowance, separate rations (food cost) and COLA based on the cost of living where you are stationed. Like I pointed out earlier, the equivalent $/hr is more than what is apparent. That $1339 is a little over $16k, and will be about $14k after taxes, social security, and medicare. That gives you in excess of $1,000 per month with all your expenses taken care of by the military. I suggest contributing the maximum 15% into the TSP program. Because the 15% will come off your taxable income, that annual $2400+ will be about $1700 less in annual net income.

You are correct. I never paid more than like 10% in taxes and it's only on base pay. Some places th ough don't pay enough to cover housing etc though, like San Diego from what I hear though I was never actually stationed there.
I wish I had contributed into the TSP but was too short sighted for it. Also with the new GI Bill out now you save the 1200 you would have had to put into that since it's now free.

[spursncowboys]

Dude we are in a war... I would say getting a job and a student loan would be the safest ways to go about moving out and going to school. Up to you though.. but that's a of a lot to possibly die for.

Otherwise best of luck. But I wouldn't go in any armed forces right now unless my main reason for doing so is I want to legally shot someone.

the fobs where the af are located, typically are pretty safe.

Well the only advice I have for you is to read EVERYthing before you sign. If the recruiter is promising it (say a 20k signing bonus or something), then make sure that it is on the papers that you are signing. Seriously read every little footnote. If you don't understand it, get copies of all the papers before you sign them, take them home and ask your dad to read them (or whoever you feel can understand them).

yes. try and get someone in the af or had been in to the recruiter and get everything signed. None of the stuff you sign with the recruiter matters. It is when you go to meps and do the paper work there. But everything guaranteed by the recruiter should be in paper. EVERYTHING.

With that being said, why not? You are young, presumably single, and you are joining the branch that, unless you are a pilot, you are least likely to go to war and even if you did go, you are less likely to see action. I guess you would have a more logistical type role. Anyway, make sure you do well on your ASFAB.

i think in the af, they will pick your job, so the higher the asvab, the better.

Talk to a recruiter, go to http://www.airforce.com/ and read about what kind of jobs are out there and what they offer / dont offer.

There are a lot of decent bonuses right now for enlistment.

I say do it, you will not regret it one bit. You will get a ton of training, get to take advantage of the GI Bill for school, free medical insurance, and be looked on 1000% more favorably for jobs when you get out, + all of the retirement benefits if you stay in long enough to qualify...

about.com has great info for military.

Why the Chairforce? Is there a particular reason? The living is better than the Army. Food, housing, uniforms, barracks, and where you work is better. Also you will get extra pay if you work, for instance, without air conditioning. In the Army, usually, you get promoted faster which is higher pay. ALot more MOS's in the Army and more options to do different things. You have to be a douch bag af Plus the AF doesn't have Cav Scouts. The AF does shorter deployments (6 mo) but more often than Army. I'm in the Army, so I had to do my "ours is better" .

[Rogue]

If we are not walking



around blowing up home after home,



there will be fewer people



mad enough at us to


become terrorists.

As you're so absorbed to these trifle details, here I've got some pieces of statements you scrawled up, that I believe would help figure what kind of person you are.

[thispego]

wait i need to learn everything, i talk to my counseler about this but didnt get enough info, when sign does this mean i get paid?, and how much? what does it mean a 4 yr contract, where will i live? and need everything, every info, thanx

rofl oh yeah, you'd be perfect in our armed forces

hey one thing you might want to consider is they don't let you wear colored v-necks in the military. just something to think about

[RedsLakers24]

rofl oh yeah, you'd be perfect in our armed forces

hey one thing you might want to consider is they don't let you wear colored v-necks in the military. just something to think about

shut up, i dont look that bad, plus i think im build for this, i played sports my whole life, i work out, im 6'4 and weight 185, i just need more conditioning, plus im really interested in going, my friends are in it and it made me think about it

[chode_regulator]

hey one thing you might want to consider is they don't let you wear colored v-necks in the military. just something to think about

chode bloaded

[Rogue]

shut up, i dont look that bad, plus i think im build for this, i played sports my whole life, i work out, im 6'4 and weight 185, i just need more conditioning, plus im really interested in going, my friends are in it and it made me think about it

yeah you're so manly that even some males are sexually attracted to you, like the re who tried hard to defend you against my criticisms about your dumbness. But sadly you just let your homie eat crow by posting the you posted.

[ynh]

So I guess you are considered the PUSSY version of our society.

Why is that? Because I realized joining the military so that I can get free school and move out from my parents was not the smartest trade off. That I realized through hard work and saving I could do all of that on my own.

By all means if you want to join the military then do so.. but make sure they are for the right reasons. And IMO to get a "quick" and "easy" fix to paid school and out of your parents house is not that. The thread starter hasn't given one real reason why he wants to serve the country.. it's fake bull reasons that have nothing to do with the duty that a military offical has.. all he wants to a "free" meal ticket.

And yes the Airforce is considered the pussy version of the armed forces around the military.. if you argue that then you don't know the difference in the jobs and training between all of them. Not saying I don't respect them.. In fact I was pretty close to signing because I wanted to fly but couldn't because of my vision.. Difference is I wasn't wanting to go for the wrong reason.

[Rogue]

Why is that? Because I realized joining the military so that I can get free school and move out from my parents was not the smartest trade off. That I realized through hard work and saving I could do all of that on my own.

By all means if you want to join the military then do so.. but make sure they are for the right reasons. And IMO to get a "quick" and "easy" fix to paid school and out of your parents house is not that. The thread starter hasn't given one real reason why he wants to serve the country.. it's fake bull reasons that have nothing to do with the duty that a military offical has.. all he wants to a "free" meal ticket.

And yes the Airforce is considered the pussy version of the armed forces around the military.. if you argue that then you don't know the difference in the jobs and training between all of them. Not saying I don't respect them.. In fact I was pretty close to signing because I wanted to fly but couldn't because of my vision.. Difference is I wasn't wanting to go for the wrong reason.

The problem with OP isn't that he was prevaricating about the actual reasons why he's considering joining the army, it's that he's too dumb to get his ideas understood. The irony is we've got another idiot who was willing to conceal the truth for him while the OP didn't want his deficiency disguised and contrarily tried to expose and magnify it by keeping up making his dumb posts.

[AFBlue]

The problem with OP isn't that he was prevaricating about the actual reasons why he's considering joining the army, it's that he's too dumb to get his ideas understood. The irony is we've got another idiot who was willing to conceal the truth for him while the OP didn't want his deficiency disguised and contrarily tried to expose and magnify it by keeping up making his dumb posts.

Why do you continue to insist the OP wants to join the Army when it has been said time and time again that he was considering joining the Air Force and the le of this thread is Air Force.

And you're calling the OP an idiot?

Just saying, it's not a minor detail.

[Rogue]

Why do you continue to insist the OP wants to join the Army when it has been said time and time again that he was considering joining the Air Force and the le of this thread is Air Force.

And you're calling the OP an idiot?

Just saying, it's not a minor detail.

wouldn't you feel a little bit feared if a F-16 jet was piloted by a pure piece of used tampon like what OP is? even if he's glued at ground his stupidity could still possibly cause some deep troubles, like if he mistook the runway as toilet and made it slippery as ice with his pee, which may lead to a possible crash of a flying machine worth tens of millions of dollars.

[Rogue]

plus it'd be quite a waste of his masculine if he joined the pussy version of troops, as he's such a man 6'4/185lbs as he described. Which is extremely gigantic size for a "mexican" like OP.

[AFBlue]

wouldn't you feel a little bit feared if a F-16 jet was piloted by a pure piece of used tampon like what OP is? even if he's glued at ground his stupidity could still possibly cause some deep troubles, like if he mistook the runway as toilet and made it slippery as ice with his pee, which may lead to a possible crash of a flying machine worth tens of millions of dollars.

Don't know the OP...but to fly an F-16 you have to be an officer (which requires a college degree), have a high score on the Air Force Officer Qualifying Test (AFOQT) in the pilot ap ude section, go through a year-plus of pilot training and be selected to fly fighters.

It's not like going to a recruiter and saying "sign me up".

Besides, I was pointing out your "pot-calling-the-kettle-black" moment...not espousing the merits of the OP.

[Rogue]

The re ed OP once admitted he is "mexican" if there hasn't happened any serious glitch to my memory.

[AFBlue]

plus it'd be quite a waste of his masculine if he joined the pussy version of troops, as he's such a man 6'4/185lbs as he described. Which is extremely gigantic size for a "mexican" like OP.

Wow...did you just call all of our airmen and Air Force veterans "pussy versions of troops"?

Talk about an insult to millions of Americans who have fought for this country and some that have paid the ultimate price.

By the way, this whole "Chairforce" argument is an old and tired one. The Air Force has been filling In-Lieu-Of (ILO) taskings for the Army since the wars began and they're still going strong today. While the Air Force is largely a support organization, its members have been doing their part to take the fight to the enemy ever since it was founded.

In other words...

[spursncowboys]

Why is that? Because I realized joining the military so that I can get free school and move out from my parents was not the smartest trade off. That I realized through hard work and saving I could do all of that on my own.

By all means if you want to join the military then do so.. but make sure they are for the right reasons. And IMO to get a "quick" and "easy" fix to paid school and out of your parents house is not that. The thread starter hasn't given one real reason why he wants to serve the country.. it's fake bull reasons that have nothing to do with the duty that a military offical has.. all he wants to a "free" meal ticket.

And yes the Airforce is considered the pussy version of the armed forces around the military.. if you argue that then you don't know the difference in the jobs and training between all of them. Not saying I don't respect them.. In fact I was pretty close to signing because I wanted to fly but couldn't because of my vision.. Difference is I wasn't wanting to go for the wrong reason.

if you aren't going combat arms, then air force is the best bet.
Also if you are joining because of school money, you are wrong. You will give up more than you get. The pay will never compare to the private sector. It is serving in that regard. However regardless of the reason why you join, doing it is still better than not. one-tenth of one percent of the American population served.

[spursncowboys]

shut up, i dont look that bad, plus i think im build for this, i played sports my whole life, i work out, im 6'4 and weight 185, i just need more conditioning, plus im really interested in going, my friends are in it and it made me think about it

they get you in shape. Just be able to pass weight and tape and you'll be good.

[mavs>spurs2]

yeah you're so manly that even some males are sexually attracted to you, like the re who tried hard to defend you against my criticisms about your dumbness. But sadly you just let your homie eat crow by posting the you posted.

this is vintage rogue right here

[Rogue]

Wow...did you just call all of our airmen and Air Force veterans "pussy versions of troops"?

Talk about an insult to millions of Americans who have fought for this country and some that have paid the ultimate price.

By the way, this whole "Chairforce" argument is an old and tired one. The Air Force has been filling In-Lieu-Of (ILO) taskings for the Army since the wars began and they're still going strong today. While the Air Force is largely a support organization, its members have been doing their part to take the fight to the enemy ever since it was founded.

In other words...

being called "pussy version of troops" isn't as bad an insult as getting joined by an OP-like re for the USAF IMHO. And I'm not the wanker that initially called it "pussy version" in this thread. Instead I know that Air Force is such a gallant group that always go first in any size of war and sweep the heavy cannons and missile launchers the out of enemy grounds, at this point it's the army that acts like pussy with the only mission of regulating the villages/towns like what cops do everyday. That's why I don't want such a group of heroes to be joined/tainted by a true wanker and subsequently became the version of troops.

[timvpimp]

Well the first sentence sounds like a personal problem, but if you want to join, *meet the requirements, and *serve your duty honorably and in a satisfactory manner, you will most certainly have earned those benefits and can use them. The only reason I even brought up your bad grammar and incorrect choice of words was that there was nothing from the OPs first post which you could use to infer that he was an immigrant. Your struggles with English (of which accession was only one example), on the other hand, are far more indicative of one who doesn't have a very good grasp on the language. From this, one could derive that you are an immigrant.



You admire goals, check. This is a serious decision, check. You don't want to give advice, check (though not obvious by your other posts).



Well I never said paycheck. I also never said that there are any troops that go in just for the benefits. I said that there are many different motivations that spur many different people to come to the same decision. The decision to join the military is no different. Paycheck may be an important part, desire for discipline may be another, benefits could be another, etc.



You and I agree that we don't need low-skilled immigrants (while I think that attracting high-skilled immigrants is still a benefit to our country), though this isn't necessarily part of the OP's conversation and you were the only one who brought it up, out of nowhere I might add. If you don't like this write your congressman and ask him/her to begin the process of changing the law as it is still a legal avenue for immigration. As far as "gangstas" are concerned, I don't think they would qualify for admittance if they have a record, if they don't and they meet all other requirements they are more than welcome to join, there is no barrier that disallows their ambition. Oh, and no one is forced to do anything, it is a personal choice.




The Spurs training program was never introduced to the conversation, the military's was the focus.

Question for others: I have to ask, is this an obvious troll job? I know there are ignorant people around the world which is why I treat this seriously, but I don't play games and am not a super frequent poster (look at my join date, and post count) so I don't really care to learn the skills to recognize people who have nothing better to do in their lives than play games on the internet.

LOL poor rogue getting lessened by an immigrant


But anyway, it's not too bad to learn a lessen from someone who once made such brilliant statements like "If we are not walking around blowing up home after home, there will be fewer people mad enough at us to become terrorists."

hopefully our grandsons will see these bold words in the White House well mounted. Actually the prohibition of immigrants being statesman has been abrogated since Obama's inauguration, so that's not a dream...